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by **Mandrake** » Wed 29 Oct, 2003 4:02 am

I just finished, fifteen minutes ago, removing Redhat 9 from my system. Why? Redhat 9 does not support my video card properly, which is pretty shoddy. It's hardly an uncommon card - a two month old ATI Radeon card. For anyone who cared, I was using Redhat 9 with XFree86 4.3, with the 2.4.20 Kernel.

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by **Antony** » Wed 29 Oct, 2003 4:12 am

What will be your next Linux? Mandrake? SuSE?

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by **Mandrake** » Wed 29 Oct, 2003 6:07 am

I will abstain from using Linux, until either of the following happen:

*Redhat releases an update with the Linux 2.6 Kernel (when it is released)
*Xfree86 4.4 or the Linux 2.6 Kernel are released

Any of those, in theory, should allow my new video to function correctly under Linux. Any other Linux distro would suffer the same problems, it is problems in the Kernel and Xfree86, not Redhat's distro in particular.

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My Browser Reference Chart · by **hartlandcat** » Wed 29 Oct, 2003 2:05 pm

You know, I'm just about to do the same thing with SuSE 8.2 (because I'm going to put my computer on Ebay and get a Mac instead). Am I right in thinking that it would be almost impossible to sell a computer with Linux pre-installed on Ebay? Also, how easy was it for you to remove your Linux partition? Is it something that I could do fairly easily, or is it extremely difficult (like almost everything else about Linux)?

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by **Mandrake** » Wed 29 Oct, 2003 9:51 pm

It was easy for me, I did it all in the Disk Manager in Windows XP then booted from an MS-DOS floppy disk and did an fdisk /mbr command to remove LILO. Then I formatted the blank space on my second disk into a new NTFS partition.

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My Browser Reference Chart · by **hartlandcat** » Thu 30 Oct, 2003 4:36 am

Right, I have Windows NT Workstation 4.0 on that other partition --- before I installed Linux, it recognised the other partition, but now it just ignores it.

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by **Edward** » Thu 30 Oct, 2003 7:07 pm

Jarrad,

According to SuSE, the 2.6 kernel does not work with all hardware.

Have you considered using SuSE instead? I had no trouble installing, except for one sound card, which successfully installed after a complete reinstall.

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by **Mandrake** » Thu 30 Oct, 2003 9:12 pm

What is the point? None of the current distrobutions properly support the new ATI Radeon video cards. This whole system is only 2 months old, Windows XP installed perfectly, I just fed it the CD that came with my video card, it found and installed the drivers - no more drivers were needed. But on Linux, I tried for hours to get the silly thing to work - with no joy

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by **DJGM** » Thu 30 Oct, 2003 11:06 pm

Mandrake . . . Which model number is your new ATi card?

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by **Mandrake** » Fri 31 Oct, 2003 12:22 am

ATI Radeon 9200 (128mb model) . . . I would have liked a 9800 Pro, but hey - who has the money for that kind of card!?

(I could have bought one of those cards, but then I couldn't have gotten the new memory, motherboard or CPU for this box!)

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by **DJGM** » Fri 31 Oct, 2003 1:44 am

Have you tried the Linux drivers for your card, as supplied by ATi . . . ?

Here's the official FAQ page regarding ATi support for Linux and XFree86

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by **Mandrake** » Fri 31 Oct, 2003 2:02 am

Yes, I tried the ATi drivers. but they did not work under Redhat 9. I did a bit of looking up about SuSE 9, I might give it a try, as it gives the option of installing a pre-release version of the 2.6 Kernel . . .

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by **Edward** » Fri 31 Oct, 2003 8:15 pm

I find this very surprising. In both systems I have, there are nVIDIA-based cards, both a TNT2 M64, and a GeForce 2MX 400. The generic nVIDIA driver that came with SuSE, works perfectly with both cards.

It is entirely possible, that since Jarrad's video card is that new, his Linux distro does not support that particular ATi chip. But I would think that if it came with a generic ATi driver, it would work.

If I'm not mistaken, the Radeon (chip?) has been out a while.

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by **Mandrake** » Sat 01 Nov, 2003 2:23 am

The 'Radeon' name has been around for quite some time, but the earlier Radeon cards (7xxx series) are nothing like the the newer Radeon 9xxx series. I believe also, that Linux does not suppor the card properly because it is that new.

As for nVIDIA video cards, I will not touch one again - why? Back in 1998 I got a 400mhz Pentium II, 128mb ram and an SiS 6326 AGP Card with a 3dfx Voodoo 2 addon card - a top of the line machine at the time. That was fine, then in late 1999 I got a nVIDIA TNT card for my other machine, which was also fine. But then in 2000 3dfx was acquired by nVIDIA - and they never released a single driver update to any of the Voodoo cards. A friend had, at the time, bought a Voodoo 5 5500 64mb card (comparable with a high-end GeForce2 card) - only three months old and he couldn't get anymore driver updates for the card because of nVIDIA! I also enjoyed the updated drivers for my Voodoo 2 by 3dfx, but then I couldn't because of nVIDIA. I could understand not releasing drivers for the older 3dfx cards, but not supporting 3 month old 3dfx products is pretty dodgy IMHO!

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by **Edward** » Sat 01 Nov, 2003 9:05 am

They bought the 3dfx assets out of the bankruptcy court, but I do not believe they had a legal obligation to continue supporting the 3dfx products afterwards.

The 3dfx web site is still online, and it is directing people to http://www.voodoofiles.com/ for information about 3dfx products.

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