SillyDog701

by **Don_HH2K** » Tue 10 May, 2005 7:48 pm

I haven't said much on this topic yet, and I think it's time I do.

The name 'SillyDog701' is the property of Antony. He can use it the way he sees fit. If he wants to grant me or anybody else the use of the name, that's his decision. On the other hand, Jay has used the SillyDog701 name without the explicit permission of Antony. Around here, you can take that to court. I'm guessing you can do the same in Austrailia. Court orders aside, though, SillyDog701 is Antony's webspace, and it should NOT be used by Jay, let alone any other competitor.

The use of UFAQ.NET as a redirect to UFAQ.org is NOT a sign of things to come. If anything, this is more of an extent of peace from Antony to UFAQ. In a situation such as this, Antony is helping UFAQ gain popularity through a second domain. While it's up to Jay to decide whether his UFAQ name has been violated, it would be stupid for Jay to request the site to be taken down, as it's getting visitors to his site. On the other hand, Jay is using the SillyDog701 name, but is NOT using it to help SillyDog701 in any way. In this case, it is Antony's will, rather, his duty to stop the fact that SillyDog701's traffic is being harmed.

Nevertheless, Jay seems to be quite intent on carrying out his will and ultimatum at the end of this 24-hour period. Seeing that you now have a little over three hours to comply, I would suggest that the entire SillyDog701 Team show their support and try to find a peaceful solution to this.

Perhaps I will have a talk with Jay, if that's even possible, and try to help the situation at hand.

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by **Antony** » Tue 10 May, 2005 8:47 pm

The main point here...
"SillyDog701" has been well established, in the Netscape community at very least.

"SillyDog701" (and any variations of "SillyDog701", such as "SillyDog", "Silly Dog", etc) is established by Antony, not Jay.

UFAQ.org used 3 variations of domains consisting "SillyDog" and pointed the to UFAQ.org is a serious issue, an example of using the popularity of "SillyDog701" to gain traffic or any benefit. This is cybersquatting, not a joke at all. Such behaviour should be condemned by sensible person.

Allow me to borrow Jay's words.
What reason does Jay have for registering sillydog.info, sillydog.us, and sillydog701.org. The reason Jay gave on those pages (now deleted) is absurd and ludicrous to say the least and anybody that believes that nonsense needs a checkup.

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by **ChrisI** » Wed 11 May, 2005 1:43 am

Antony, why did you register UFAQ.net?

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by **Antony** » Wed 11 May, 2005 2:07 am

ChrisI wrote:Antony, why did you register UFAQ.net?

You missed the main part.

The important issue is...
I show my courtesy by providing redirection to UFAQ.org FREE of CHARGE, as most likely people coming to that domain name are looking for their website.
The return? They were using domain names that is clearly taking traffic from this well established website and pointed to their own site. (A good example of cybersquatting.)
That's very unfair, isn't it?

Chris, what's your comment on Jay's cybersquatting?

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by **ChrisI** » Wed 11 May, 2005 2:50 am

Why didn't you tell Jay you had registered UFAQ.net?

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by **Antony** » Wed 11 May, 2005 2:55 am

ChrisI wrote:Why didn't you tell Jay you had registered UFAQ.net?

I did not do any dirty cybersquatting tactics as Jay did.

What is your comments on Jay's cybersquatting?

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by **ChrisI** » Wed 11 May, 2005 3:05 am

Antony wrote:I did not do any dirty cybersquatting tactics as Jay did.

You registered UFAQ.net long before Jay registered the other domains.

Antony wrote:What is your comments on Jay's cybersquatting?

I have to know why you registered UFAQ.net, and didn't tell Jay, before I can comment. After all, who's to say you didn't do the same thing Jay did?

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by **Antony** » Wed 11 May, 2005 3:32 am

ChrisI wrote:
Antony wrote:I did not do any dirty cybersquatting tactics as Jay did.
You registered UFAQ.net long before Jay registered the other domains.

It has been long parked for doing nothing. Then free service for Jay, as my courtesy.

ChrisI wrote:
Antony wrote:What is your comments on Jay's cybersquatting?
I have to know why you registered UFAQ.net, and didn't tell Jay, before I can comment. After all, who's to say you didn't do the same thing Jay did?

I did not use UFAQ.net to point to any SillyDog701 content. In fact, UFAQ.net points to UFAQ.org.
Jay used sillydog.info, sillydog.us, and sillydog701.org and all pointed to his UFAQ.org
Are you (or Jay) going to deny such fact?

And I had to tell Jay? oh my gosh. I did not use UFAQ.net for SillyDog701 at all. In return, Jay used sillydog.info, sillydog.us, and sillydog701.org and all pointed to his UFAQ.org
Do I also need to seek Jay's approval to operate sillydog.org ?

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by **Don_HH2K** » Wed 11 May, 2005 6:34 am

I was recently in contact with Jay via e-mail. If anything, I say that he put up a decent side. I'm not going to post the entire thing, but from the looks of what he said versus what you say, this whole thing is one big misunderstanding. Jay simply wanted to know why you had registered UFAQ.net without telling him -- not why you had registered it at all. The registration of these three domains was a 'chain-tugging event'.

Anyway, he has said that he'd be willing to give you the three domains if you simply hand over UFAQ.net in return. So unless I've been propaganda'ed (which I don't think I have been), it might be in your best interest to do so, and let everything fall into place with their proper managers. Good deal, says I.

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by **DrDean** » Wed 11 May, 2005 8:25 am

Antony:

You still have yet to answer the question "why did you register UFAQ.NET?". We know WHY you redirected it, IF we are to believe that story, but WHY register it in the first place? You owe your followers an explanation. Just answer the question.

DrDean

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by **Mandrake** » Wed 11 May, 2005 9:02 am

dluchini30 wrote:Anyway, he has said that he'd be willing to give you the three domains if you simply hand over UFAQ.net in return. So unless I've been propaganda'ed (which I don't think I have been), it might be in your best interest to do so, and let everything fall into place with their proper managers. Good deal, says I.

That's a very fair deal, and IMHO, it would be one Antony would be wise to accept.

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by **Antony** » Wed 11 May, 2005 9:25 am

dluchini30 wrote:So unless I've been propaganda'ed (which I don't think I have been), it might be in your best interest to do so. ...

Yes, you have been propagandised.

Mr Jay Garcia has used sillydog.info, sillydog.us and sillydog701.org to demand me to apologise to someone who cybersquatted SillyDog701.

Shouldn't Mr Jay Garcia use the same channel to post such message?

Or shall I congratulate Mr Jay Garcia on gaining a new "UFAQ.org gang"?

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by **Antony** » Wed 11 May, 2005 9:57 am

DrDean wrote:Antony:

You still have yet to answer the question "why did you register UFAQ.NET?". We know WHY you redirected it, IF we are to believe that story, but WHY register it in the first place? You owe your followers an explanation. Just answer the question.

DrDean

Dear DrDean,

The main point is that the unfair treatments.
I show my courtesy by providing redirection to UFAQ.org FREE of CHARGE, as most likely people coming to that domain name are looking for their website.
The return? They were using domain names that is clearly taking traffic from this well established website and pointed to their own site. A excellent example of cybersquatting, however you preferred to call it a "joke".

Shouldn't we deal with the main issue first? I found that using three (3) domain names all consisting "sillydog" to drive people to UFAQ.org was just a joke is completely out of logic.

The reason Mr Jay Garcia gave on sillydog.info, sillydog.us and sillydog701.org is absurd and ludicrous to say the least and anybody that believes that nonsense needs a checkup.

"We know WHY you redirected it, IF we are to believe that story"
My English told me that sentence indicates you don't believe my story. Too bad, I only list facts.

To Mr Jay Garcia
As for the "Posted on the Mozdev Mozillachampions newsgroup on 8-MARCH-2005 ",
Okay, I haven't visited that Mozdev newsgroups for ages. Mr Jay Garcia has my IP address, and he's free to check server log.

"he didn't respond to my emails - yes - emails, 3 to be exact"
I finally recovered one email. It was sent to "spam@sillydog.org". And he expect me to check spam@sillydog.org email account regularly? Mr. Jay Garcia has an email account I gave him, the one without any filtering in case filtering out emails by mistake.

Had you used the correct email address, you would have received a response in a timely manner.
However, I will reply to that email.

Subject: UFAQ.net
From: "Webmaster" <.........@UFAQ.org>
Date: Sat, March 5, 2005 1:00 am
To: "Antony Shen" <spam@sillydog.org>
Priority: Normal

Antony,

Curious as to why you have UFAQ.net registered and why you have it
redirecting to my UFAQ.org

Cheers, Jay

--
Jay Garcia Netscape Champion - Mozilla Champion
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org
Mozilla Champions - http://mozillachampions.mozdev.org
Posting Guidelines - http://mozillachampions.mozdev.org/guidelines.html

Antony.

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by **DrDean** » Wed 11 May, 2005 10:03 am

Re: Yes, you have been propagandised.

I also have exchanged emails with Jay and support what Don says. You are grossly mistaken in your allegation that we've been propagandized. I received a very nice email with a more than reasonable explanation of events. And not ONCE did Jay have anything bad to say about YOU or what has transpired here in this forum

Re: Mr Jay Garcia has used sillydog.info, sillydog.us and sillydog701.org to demand me to apologise

Sorry Antony, that is just not true any longer. Why you are holding on to this misconception is beyond reason as Jay does NOT demand an apology.

Re: Shouldn't Mr Jay Garcia use the same channel to post such message?

You mean post HERE in THIS forum?? You've GOT to be kidding. I sure as hell wouldn't lower myself to taking part in this mess here if I were him. I suspect that he would much rather take it to private email like it should have been done to begin with.

Re: Or shall I congratulate Mr Jay Garcia on gaining a new "UFAQ.org gang"?

What NEW gang? You mean a mass defection from here to there? You've got your head screwed on backwards if you think that. I've got a spare couch in my office with your name on it. Nice and soft and real cozy. :-)

Sincerely, DrDean, MD Clinical Pyschology

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by **Antony** » Wed 11 May, 2005 10:17 am

DrDean wrote:I also have exchanged emails with Jay and support what Don says.

Too bad, Mr Jay Garcia's skilful communication ability won't work on me. Simply I know the fact.

DrDean wrote:Re: Mr Jay Garcia has used sillydog.info, sillydog.us and sillydog701.org to demand me to apologise

Sorry Antony, that is just not true any longer. Why you are holding on to this misconception is beyond reason as Jay does NOT demand an apology.

Are you (or Mr Jay Garcia) denying the fact that
sillydog.info, sillydog.us and sillydog701.org had been pointed to ufaq.org?

DrDean wrote:Re: Shouldn't Mr Jay Garcia use the same channel to post such message?

You mean post HERE in THIS forum??

I meant posting what he wants in those three domains he is holding. The same way he posted "Why Register SillyDog.info, SillyDog.us and SillyDog701.org" message.

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