SillyDog701

[Don_HH2K]

Note: For discussion on latest Donzilla, please use
[sdt=9664]Donzilla 0.7[/sdt] OR [sdt=9992]Donzilla 0.8 PR[/sdt] thread

I'm proud to announce the release of a browser customization, by me, intended to be a version of Netscape for people that want everything integrated, without having to download anything else for it. In this aspect, as Antony noted, it's a lot like Project Kitchen Sink by Hendikins, except there are some things removed, and some things added.

A full list of features in version 0.3, most of which have been helpful to me, the others just there for the heck of it:
* ChatZilla 0.9.66e, integrated IRC chat client.
* Mozilla Calendar 20041217
* Adblock 0.5d2 Nightly, Build 37, perfect as my on-demand ad filtering software.
* MathMLEd 0.4.5, not completely working, but still works nonetheless. Lets you write mathematical equations for X(HT)ML documents.
* Googlebar for Mozilla 0.9.0.28, great alternative to the overloaded Netscape toolbar.
* BBCode 0.3.7, for forums. Useful if the BBCode toolbar is ever broken again (let's not curse it).
* Image Copier, for putting website graphics on the Windows clipboard, which I will use to 'borrow' images from people.

ActiveX support and the Netscape Search Toolbar have been disabled. You can restore the Search Toolbar by downloading the appropriate XPIs fron Netscape's FTP server. ActiveX has been removed altogether, and there's no real way of putting it back as it was. This was implemented (explemented?) as a security feature.

Known Bugs that I know of:
MNG support will occasionally cause the browser to display errors, but will not crash it. Also, MNG's only work with the OBJECT or EMBED tags, not with IMG.

Also, you will need a working copy of the Netscape 7.2 GRE to use it, since it doesn't come with the GRE; and a ZIP utility to unzip the archive of the browser componentry.

If you want to see what you're getting first, I don't blame you a bit, take a look at some screenshots.

Before you download, remember to create a separate profile for Donzilla, but do not run it until running it with Donzilla 0.3. I cannot and will not replace your computer (or VirtualPC installation, or WINE componentry, or all those e-mails you downloaded to your computer) if you don't do this and mess something up.

You can download it from the project page at my website.

One last thing: PLEASE tell me if something is broken that I don't know about, since I'd obviously like to know. Planning for 0.4 is already underway, so please tell me if something needs to be fixed, or if you have a suggestion for what to put in.

topic changed to normal mode by Antony 22.8.2005

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (Donzilla/0.3)

[beanboy89]

First, I have to say congrats on your own Netscape build, Don. I really like the included GoogleBar extension, and adding Mozilla Calendar and ChatZilla are nice touches. I'd say it is "Netscape for people who want everything intergrated."

Now, here comes the bad part... Some things are broken. I unzipped Donzilla into a new folder, although I didn't install the GRE because I already have it installed from my official Netscape 7.2 installation. I then opened Netscp.exe -p and created a new profile. All seemed well until I opened the Prefences window, where I went to remove some buttons from the toolbars. I unchecked some choices and clicked OK but the buttons weren't removed. I thought ok, not too bad. Then I closed Netscape, reopened Donzilla with my profile I just created, and I found some of the menu's text was missing. This causes most of the menu items inaccessable such as the Prefences.

Below is a screenshot of the Edit menu, most of the text is missing from the menu items:


I thought the above problems were due to a corrupted profile, but I created another new profile with Donzilla, and the exact same bevahoir happened.
Another problem, I cannot copy and paste text. For example, I copied some text from the about: window, and I pasted it into the location bar, and the text I copied did not show up. I also tried to paste the same text into another source, and it did not show up as well. But strangely, I copied some text from Firefox, and pasted it into Doinzilla, and it shows up fine.

I have not ran into any other problems in the short time I have been testing Donzilla, but if I incounter any other problems, I will report them.

I'd have to say Donzilla is off to a good start, but some additonal work still needs to be done. I look forward to testing any future versions.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (un-AXed)

[Al]

I think you should make a Executable file instead of of a zipped build, i do like zipped things but I don't think installing Netscape is a worth, what's the point when you have 2 builds and you only need DonZilla 0.3

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[Don_HH2K]

Billy, I had that happen to me before, and I remember exactly why it happened: I removed a theme from my profile even though I had uninstalled it from the Themes page in Edit -> Preferences. My guess is it's doing the same thing again. I'll correct that very soon. Also, thanks for pointing that out.

Al, it's a bit hard to make an executable installer now since you can't use the ancient CCK with 7.2 anymore.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.2; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)

[Don_HH2K]

Big mistake in trying to fix it... Whatever I did, Netscape won't open up anymore, so I'm stuck with IE for awhile until I get this thing fixed. Until then, well, I don't know how I'll go about fixing this one.

UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)

[Al]

Try and ask Antony and DJGM, DJGM might let you use his installer system....
As for Netscape, use Firefox for now

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[DJGM]

. . . DJGM might let you use his installer system....

If you're referring to what I used as the installer for my custom NS distros, it wasn't
actually my installer system, it was (ironically) Microsoft's installer system, IExpress.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 - DJGM.co.uk (ax)

[Don_HH2K]

Now that you say it, I could always use one of those SFX creators like Microsoft's.. For version 1.0 (and for that matter, 0.9, since I plan that to be a giant bugfix release with very little new functionality), I'll probably make a SFX archive.
In the meantime, Netscape is back up and running, I recovered my e-mail store, but can't get it to connect to my server (???).

Anyway, that annoying little thing with the context menus has been fixed, and Donzilla 0.4 has been released.
New functionality/bugfixes:
* about:plugins, startup, and exit no longer display error messages
* context menu problem fixed
* updated versions of plugins
* quicktime plugin now uses XPT, not a Java class

Some things were removed to make way for the bugfixes, but will be back soon. Namely, those apps are MathML Editor, and BBCode. I tried getting Image Copier back, but the newest versions only support Firefox, and I can't find any old builds. Those will be fixed soon, don't worry.

You can download it from the link on the same old page, I have yet to update it, but getting all that fixed is more important than the page.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (Donzilla/0.4)

[Al]

Thanks! BTW Do you need the pulgins if you already have them?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[Don_HH2K]

Do you need the pulgins if you already have them?

You need the software to run them, the plugins are just there to call the software. So yes, for the content to work in Donzilla, you need those there. However, they won't work if you don't have the appropriate software installed. For example: if you don't have JRE 1.5.0_01, whose plugins are included in 0.4, you won't have Java support even though the plugin is there.

If you do have software you want to plug in to Donzilla, just drop the plugin file into /plugins.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (Donzilla/0.4)

[beanboy89]

I just noticed my UserAgent from my post above where I used Donzilla 0.3 reads "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (un-AXed)" Shouldn't it read "(Donzilla/0.3)" or is the "(un-AXed)" part correct?

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217

[Al]

I have some of them, but which verison of FLash is used for DonZilla.
How come Mozilla's mozilla builds create the GRE folder? BTW why is your site located at don.sillydog.com instead of .org

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0

[Don_HH2K]

I just noticed my UserAgent from my post above where I used Donzilla 0.3 reads "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (un-AXed)" Shouldn't it read "(Donzilla/0.3)" or is the "(un-AXed)" part correct?

That's been fixed in 0.4, was a conflict between two pref files.

I have some of them, but which verison of FLash is used for DonZilla.
How come Mozilla's mozilla builds create the GRE folder?

Whatever version of Flash was included with NS 7.2 is included with Donzilla 0.4. I will update the plugin to the latest for the next release, if that isn't already the latest.

Mozilla has an installer, which makes it easy to get a GRE in the right place. Since Donzilla is a single archive, I can't have it do that, so I guess I make that the problem of whoever wants to use it. But, if you have a working Netscape 7.2 installation, you can use the included GRE.

As for why it's don.sillydog.com and not don.sillydog.org, well, ask Antony, because I really don't know.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (Donzilla/0.4)

[beanboy89]

Mozilla has an installer, which makes it easy to get a GRE in the right place. Since Donzilla is a single archive, I can't have it do that, so I guess I make that the problem of whoever wants to use it. But, if you have a working Netscape 7.2 installation, you can use the included GRE.

How is a GRE done in Mozilla Zip builds? Maybe you could do it however Mozilla does the GRE for their Zip builds.

UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217

[Don_HH2K]

With the ZIPped builds, the GRE componentry is integrated right into the application. It's not the same, though, with installer builds like Netscape. Plus, I have no idea how they integrated it into the suite.

But now I have an idea: I can make one big XPI out of the build and then put that into a Mozilla installer (with customized bitmaps and images and all).

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