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[KRTeagle]

I am not expert. However some basic facts:
She can't talk, she can't eat by herself, she can't express herself.
Experts (doctors) stated that she was in persistent vegetative state, experts also said she can't recover. Judges agreed.
Her parents and other doctors somehow failed to provide good evidence that she was not in persistent vegetative state and can be recovered.

I'm trying to stay in the middle of the road on this one, I'm not sure which side I fall in with. I'm a conservative, but if indeed terri did say to her husband that she did not want to be kept alive under artificial means, she would want to be killed, and in continuing to keep her alive it is costing the government millions of dollars a year, I would say let her die. however, it seems odd that michael didn't remember this conversation he had with his wife until more then a decade of when she was put on life support. also isn't it possible that the reason that her parents and the doctors can't find any proof because Mr. Schivo will not let any tests be done or any recordings be recorded? I'm enjoying reading this debate, and look forward to continuing this discussion.

good job keeping up your side antony! (even if you are on the wrong side when it comes to mac vs. PC jk )

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[Antony]

what's happening now
The parents of a brain-damaged woman lost their emergency appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court Wednesday [30 March] night to have their daughter's feeding tube reinserted.

The desperate legal maneuver sought a temporary restraining order to force the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, while lawyers file a further appeal.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has jurisdiction over emergency appeals from Florida, Georgia and Alabama, denied a hearing.

The larger court has received five previous appeals in this case and chosen not to intervene in any of them.
(from CNN: U.S. Supreme Court denies Schindlers)

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[Antony]

Terri Schiavo has died (CNN):
Terri Schiavo, the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman who became the centerpiece of a national right-to-die battle, died Thursday morning, nearly two weeks after doctors removed the feeding tube that had sustained her for more than a decade.

Brother Paul O'Donnell, a spokesman for Bob and Mary Schindler, Schiavo's parents, said the couple was with their daughter's body and praying.

It now has ended 15 years of pain for both sides of the family watching and feeding Mrs. Terri Schiavo unable to speak a word, unable to express herself.

Sadly, Christian conservatives and activists have used Mrs. Terri Schiavo's tragic situation for their argument. The Terri Schiavo case was purely a private family dispute. Surprisingly, this case has got the attention of national and international television, the religious group (as always), and the government's involvement.

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[James]

Well... she's dead now. If the reports on CNN are to be believed... the report by the priest who has acted as spokesperson for the family... Michael refused to allow the parents to remain in the room during her final hours. They had specifically asked, according to the priest, to be present with their dying daughter but he ordered them out and it was only the last ten minutes they were allowed back in. When she died the priest said the husband was nowhere to be found. He had simply vanished.

I'm shocked, I guess, at the callous manner in which this sad situation was conducted. That a person could be starved to death over a period of 13 days... a cruelty that would not be allowed on an animal... is beyond my comprehension.

Those are my final words on this subject. I believe this to be a sad day for America. This represents my opinion, of course, and as such I offer apologies if it offends others.

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[Ron Williams]

Sadly, terri has died. The family was not present when terri died. Michael Schiavo and hospice workers were there to as she died. How can you distinctly tell when something is against a persons religion. If the head of the religion speaks out against removing the feeding tube, would this make it against someones religion. The catholic church is the worlds largest land owners, and have there own country, its not like they are some singular bible church.

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[Antony]

Sadly, terri has died. The family was not present when terri died. Michael Schiavo and hospice workers were there to ass her situation. How can you distinctly tell when something is against a persons religion. If the head of the religion speaks out against removing the feeding tube, would this make it against someones religion. The catholic church is the worlds largest land owners, and have there own country, its not like they are some singular bible church.

So what exactly does “to ass her situationâ€

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[Ron Williams]

i did not originally have "ass her situation" whatever moderator or admin changed it to make me look bad HAHA not funny. The law states that no-ones religious rights are violated. The judges are supposed to uphold the constitution.

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[Antony]

i did not originally have "ass her situation" whatever moderator or admin changed it to make me look bad HAHA not funny. The law states that no-ones religious rights are violated. The judges are supposed to uphold the constitution.

I did not change your text then use it to ask you. I don't play that sort of low level games.

Verified. No changes done by moderators were recorded.
And you have edited your own posts.

"The law states that no-ones religious rights are violated."

I failed to see what religious rights have been violated.

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[Ron Williams]

Since the vatican has stated that "the procedure amounts to nothing less than a ruthless way to kill a person", this would make it against terri schiavo's religion.


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[Antony]

Since the vatican has stated that "the procedure amounts to nothing less than a ruthless way to kill a person", this would make it against terri schiavo's religion.


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And Mrs. Terri Schiavo's both families must keep suffering from having a vegetable person in the families? Mrs. Terri Schiavo has been in such condition for 15 years. It was her husband who fought and won the case against doctors in November 1992 (reference), so Mrs. Terri Schiavo can be cared and fed for 15 years.

To my understanding, the Pope (and the Vatican) against abortion and euthanasia. And the Terri case is a family dispute. I really don't see why Congress and churches have to intervene. Personally I feel sorry for Mrs. Terri Schiavo and her both families. This painful period (for both Michael Schiavo and her parents) could have ended (nearly) 7 years ago when Michael Schiavo first filed petition to remove Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube in May 1998.

Allow me to re-quote:
"It's odd that conservative Christians would be making this claim," said Christopher Schroeder, director of the public law program at Duke University. "You can find biblical passages that say once you have a union like this, the union's all that matters. The parents drop out of the picture."
(From CNN: Spouse as next of kin has deep roots)

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[Ron Williams]

It is a clear statement that when the top levels of a multi national church states that something is wrong, that it is against a persons religion.

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[jsjag]

Sadly, terri has died. The family was not present when terri died. Michael Schiavo and hospice workers were there to ass her situation. How can you distinctly tell when something is against a persons religion. If the head of the religion speaks out against removing the feeding tube, would this make it against someones religion. The catholic church is the worlds largest land owners, and have there own country, its not like they are some singular bible church.

So what exactly does “to ass her situationâ€

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[Antony]

It is a clear statement that when the top levels of a multi national church states that something is wrong, that it is against a persons religion.

With all my due respect, the Pope and the Vatican's recommendation can not be deemed as guideline to rule the country or law making. For people who follow the Catholic religion, it's up to individual to follow Pope's recommendation.

However, churches should not interfere with the government and the law enforcement. Again, this is a private family matter.

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[Ron Williams]

Just so you know the catholic church does have some judicial power. The vatican is a country in itself not a city even though it is only the size of a city.

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[Antony]

Just so you know the catholic church does have some judicial power. The vatican is a country in itself not a city even though it is only the size of a city.

Just so you know churches no longer rule countries today. This is true in most western societies, countries are ruled by laws, and laws are set by people.

Take example the history of United Kingdom, the country hasn't been ruled by churches for centuries.

And too bad, Mrs. Terri Schiavo did not live in The Vatican.

Just so you know The Vatican is an independent papal state, not a country. Although it has it's own lay governor and council and even had its own currency (The currency is now Euro), it is not a country.

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