Hurricane Katrina + Rita hit New Orleans and Gulf Coast

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Postby James » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 10:03 am

Hi Fulvio

I tend to agree with your assessment. Although this will seem harsh (and I want you to know that my wife and I have made a monetary contribution to assist the relief efforts so it's not as though I'm unfeeling) New Orleans had this disaster coming. No one can seriously imagine that a city so precariously situated would forever escape such a fate. It was precisely human activity in wrongly reforming the landscape which resulted in this subaqueous city. Now this is just an opinion, but it seems to me that the truly right thing and the only ecologically and longterm economically sustainable thing to do at this point is to destroy the levees and allow the river and its delta to be returned to their natural state. People should never be so foolish as to build homes in a river's floodplain. Tragically the levees have provided a false sense of security for decades. For people to avoid such disasters as this New Orleans episode, they're going to need to have a more realistic view of the kind of control man does NOT have over the elements.
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Postby Antony » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 10:27 am

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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 2:29 pm

I recall that Apple did something similar to this after the monsoon in Asia. Meanwhile, Microsoft says nothing of this . . . :wink:
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Postby beanboy89 » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 3:19 pm

Don_HH2K wrote:Meanwhile, Microsoft says nothing of this . . . :wink:

Really . . . ?

Microsoft's web site currently has a large banner on it's front page for Hurricane Katrina relief. The Microsoft banner links to a page with organizations that need donations.

Looking at Apple's web site it only has a small button near the bottom of the page for Kartina relief efforts. And If I click on Apple's link, I can't do anything anyway, as it requires iTunes to be installed!

But, putting these things aside, it is good to know that corporations are actively involved in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
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Postby vivl55 » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 3:40 pm

I just read someone suggest that the levees be destroyed! Are you nuts? New Orleans is a very important port city! 20% of all goods in and out of the country go through this port. It is a natural deep water port and the country needs it. In order to have a port that large we also have people in the area to maintane it. And they need housing, shopping areas, and access to medical care of all types, and so on.
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Anyway, I am so proud of the way the people of this country and others have stepped up and given and offered aid. In spite of our governments bungling a fast response there are people all over the world contributing to the effert. Sri Lonka, which was devastated by the sunami last year even donated $25,000 to the Red Cross even though they can't really afford to. Even Castro offed hospital ships and medical aupplies. People of the world are not nearly as bad as some in government would have us believe.
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Postby James » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 5:51 pm

I didn't think I was nuts... but if you say so then I suppose it must be true. :shock:

You realize of course that rebuilding the city and the levees will simply forestall the next catastrophe. You can't build a city below sea level in an area which is frequently slammed by hurricanes and not expect trouble. It will happen again, of that you can be sure.

I understand the importance of the port and its importance to the country. I believe it would be better to look at other options but I suspect it won't happen.

Please... don't use words like "nuts". Resorting to name-calling is most inappropriate. You can express your disagreement with me in a more respectful manner I'm sure. Thanks.
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Postby vivl55 » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 6:56 pm

I'm sorry if I offended you, James. I really didn't mean to. Just a small ,(maybe tasteless)joke.
Anyway, New Orleans has been flooded before many times, but to not rebuild it would be tragedy on top of tragedy. It has been a major cultural and historical city for hundreds of years and it just is heart breaking to think of it all gone. I would very much like to go there some time in

my life, but if not, it is still good to know that it is still there. M ay I recomend a book by Ann Rice? It is a fictional account of a family in antebellam New Orleans. Most interesting her descriptians of the times and the city. It is the reason I'm in love with a city I've never been to.
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Postby vivl55 » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 7:01 pm

The name of it is "The Feast of All Saints" (It is n't one of her horror books and I think it was the best book she wrote)
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Postby Antony » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 7:15 pm

Don_HH2K wrote:I recall that Apple did something similar to this after the monsoon in Asia. Meanwhile, Microsoft says nothing of this . . . :wink:
Apple had something similar to this one day after South-East Asian Tsunami disaster.... It was noticed by many internet users. Microsoft followed a few days after a number of computer-related news websites reporting that.

beanboy89 wrote:Looking at Apple's web site it only has a small button near the bottom of the page for Kartina relief efforts. And If I click on Apple's link, I can't do anything anyway, as it requires iTunes to be installed!
A similar banner is also available in Apple's iTunes Music Store (front door).

Also, you can install iTunes on Windows XP :-)
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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 8:28 pm

It's interesting to note that the effects of Katrina can also be seen online in other areas besides relief and news. According to DirectNIC, HOLYCOW.org's nameservers were located in New Orleans, and only have a day or two of diesel fuel left to power the generators. Of course, I have the IP address of the server (which isn't in New Orleans), so I can still read my e-mail, but all browsers of HOLYCOW.org won't be able to get in . . .
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Postby Antony » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 8:50 pm

Don_HH2K wrote:It's interesting to note that the effects of Katrina can also be seen online in other areas besides relief and news. According to DirectNIC, HOLYCOW.org's nameservers were located in New Orleans, and only have a day or two of diesel fuel left to power the generators. Of course, I have the IP address of the server (which isn't in New Orleans), so I can still read my e-mail, but all browsers of HOLYCOW.org won't be able to get in . . .
According to DirectNIC's Press Release - Hurricane Katrina, they have three weeks of back up power, not a day or two.
DirectNIC wrote:We are pleased to announce that we haven't lost service once during this entire distaster, and we have three weeks of backup power secured, and more resources are on the way.


DirectNIC is the world's 11th-largest registrar, with more than 1.1 million domains registered.
SillyDog701's domain name is not registered with DirectNIC.
SillyDog701's dedicated server (main server) is physically located in Texas.
SillyDog701's backup server (currently sillydog.com) is physically located in Kansas City, Missouri.
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Postby Ron Williams » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 9:04 pm

Antony wrote:
Don_HH2K wrote:It's interesting to note that the effects of Katrina can also be seen online in other areas besides relief and news. According to DirectNIC, HOLYCOW.org's nameservers were located in New Orleans, and only have a day or two of diesel fuel left to power the generators. Of course, I have the IP address of the server (which isn't in New Orleans), so I can still read my e-mail, but all browsers of HOLYCOW.org won't be able to get in . . .
According to DirectNIC's Press Release - Hurricane Katrina, they have three weeks of back up power, not a day or two.
DirectNIC wrote:We are pleased to announce that we haven't lost service once during this entire distaster, and we have three weeks of backup power secured, and more resources are on the way.


As stated before in an instant message conversation with antony, the reason they would not want to say 2 days is so customers and potential customers wont want to move away from there company.

Obviously they have lost some services because they would not have put the statement about free hosting being operational again.

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Postby James » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 10:19 pm

That's okay, vivl55. Maybe I over-reacted myself. I'm a very mellow sort of guy and it just took me by surprise. I agree... it is a tragedy, beyond belief. I've no doubt they will rebuild it but I sure hope they explore other options than simply shoring up the levees.

BTW: welcome to the forum.
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Postby Antony » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 10:27 pm

Somehow I agree with James. New Orleans should be abandoned, this could be painful, but in a long term it should be a wise decision.

Obviously I did not know much about New Orleans (until Hurricane Katrina), just like I did not really know where Florida is (until year 2000's presidential election.) From geology point of view, levees are not a long term solution. Ports can be relocated. The problem is... there are people who are poor, not well educated, and the racial issues still exist.
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Postby Lorraine » Sun 04 Sep, 2005 11:11 pm

Sorry Antony, I misunderstood.
I thought Jay had left New Orleans well before the hurricane hit, evidently he didn't. Hope all his family and home survived the hurricane and flood.
I wish him good luck in the future.
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