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by **Ron Williams** » Thu 06 Oct, 2005 1:37 pm

Definately Firefox, though I do find a problem with it crashing whenever it loads a .PDF file using Adobe Acrobat 6 Pro.

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by **Alice** » Fri 07 Oct, 2005 1:18 pm

My most-used browser is probably Mozilla 1.7.12 with Firefox 1.0.7 and Firefox 1.4.1 Beta2 (latest nightly branch build) close behind. All three are very stable. My Firefox 1.0.7 has four extensions (BBCode 0.4.1.1, Greasemonkey 0.5.3, Sage 1.3.6 and UAswitcher 0.6.7).

Ron Williams wrote:Definately Firefox, though I do find a problem with it crashing whenever it loads a .PDF file using Adobe Acrobat 6 Pro.

Not sure if this applies to Adobe Acrobat 6 Pro or just the Reader but maybe something here will help:
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/acrore ... win-issues

I use the Acrobat 7.0 reader and have it set to use the plugin .. no problems. More here: http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8222

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by **Cathyb0** » Fri 07 Oct, 2005 10:58 pm

I think Netscape has gone way downhill since AOL took over. They are more interested in implementing new functionality for marketing purposes than whether or not that functionality actually works and how robust their software is. The bug with creating webmail accounts in 7.x was a perfect example. That version should never have been released with that bug. Didn't they test creating new accounts? They had to have known that bug existed, it was so obvious. I am a web developer and I would never release something with a bug like that. Also, they have gone towards AOL's philosophy of not letting the user configure anything. Their dialer is a perfect example. When I had problems with my internet connection recently, I went to look at the settings on my computer and Netscape Internet Service had them blocked every single place I tried to look at them. No software should EVER block a user from their own computer settings. Their tech support has been totally unsatisfactory, too. When I tell them I can't ping the Netscape mail server, they tell me my connection issues are with the Internet Explorer browser!!! More than one technical support-less people actually told me this.

So, enough ranting. I am totally ditching Netscape, with the exception of webmail and version 6.2 mail, IF I can get that version working for my Netscape webmail. If not, I guess I'll be ditching my Netscape webmail and mail client, too. I am following this thread with quite a bit of interest. One thing I do love about the Netscape 8 browser is the tabbed browsing. Do any of the other browsers people have been discussing have tabbed browsing? Also, since I use a dial-up connection, I hate the way pushing the back button now causes a page refresh and another trip to the server in the new Netscape 8. I want to use a cached page for page-backs. Any comments?

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by **jksteinhauer** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 4:59 am

I'm pretty much using FireFox 99.9% of the time now; after I learned that the Mozilla suite was going to be gradually phased out I began adapting to using FireFox almost exclusively and I'm pleased thusfar. I gave Netscape 8.0 a go for a few days - did NOT like it whatsoever!

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by **Purple Lizard** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 6:35 am

Definetly Firefox, the 1.5 beta has been so stble for me thati never even bothered downloading 1.0.7

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by **James** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 9:45 am

I'd jump to the 1.5 beta but I don't want to jeopardize my extensions.

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by **Purple Lizard** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 10:25 am

James wrote:I'd jump to the 1.5 beta but I don't want to jeopardize my extensions.

I can understand that. Maybe i find it so stable is beccause that i don't have very many extensions at all.

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by **RottweilerKing** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 12:35 pm

Netscape's lack of quality in preceding years didn't come from AOL bloat. The old mozilla suite was a poor piece of software from the start, Mozilla made mistakes as much as I respect what they do. Until recently mozilla.org's philosophy was geared twoards making browser's do they things they just didn't need to do. This of course resulted in the obese and sluggish software we now know as seamonkey. If AOL had any fault it was not pressuring mozilla.org to release something more usable, few people ever switched from IE to Mozilla's old suite. AOL put a lot of money into mozilla and got a lackluster browser for it. I'm glad things have changed now! If they had started doing someothing like firefox from the start, you could just imagine where both netscape and Firefox would be NOW. Firefox has a lot of issues it needs to work out. I know it's a bit lighter than Netscape 8 but plain and simply, Netscape 8 had worked for me flawlessly. One example of a Firefox problem held over from phoenix is that on almost any "theme" for firefox, the edges of toolbars and other parts of the browser seem to break at times. This is a bit hard to describe, so I'll try to get a screenshot.. some of you will probably know right away what I mean. Netscape 8 just doesn't have this problem. I'm not trying to knock Firefox, it's good but right now Netscape 8 (in my opinion) is the best.

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by **richard mitnick** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 4:27 pm

Netscape 8.0.3.3 for sure.

I have'em all, Lord knows why.

I do not like Firefox, it is just way to minimalist for me. Also, I find it's gung- ho adherents a bit much to take, sort of like a lot of people at slashdot, uncivilized, as opposed to the discourse in Sillydog, which I much enjoy.

I like the passcards and the on-the-fly individual site security which Netscape provides for both the I.E. and Gecko engines. I can start a site with no cookies, images, pop-ups, etc., Java, Javascript, ActiveX, and then allow only what I need. Also, I can use it for Microsoft Update. The security in I.E., zones, is just too opaque and techie for the average user, me.

Seamonkey is my #2, but I only use the browser. I really hope Seamonkey makes it. I used and enjoyed Mozilla, again, just the browser.

I tried Opera 8.5; but it was just too problematic on sites I need. On my ISP, OptimumOnline, it just could not do webmail which is very important to me.

Netscape 8.0.3.3 is an AOL property for sure, aimed at bringing the user to AOL sites. But, we are not jerks, I just do not need or use those sites. So, why throw out the baby with the bathwater?

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by **RottweilerKing** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 6:14 pm

Yeah, to me.. all the browsers in this thread have good things about them but I think for the avg. end-user there's but 1 "IE Killer" and that right now is Netscape. It's built to replace IE rather than supplement it, I love that!

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by **James** » Sat 08 Oct, 2005 6:30 pm

I completely disagree and apparently some 100 million downloads appear to agree with me. Firefox is the wave of the future. Netscape is yesterday's news. I also hope that Mozilla makes a go of it... but Netscape? Not a chance.

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by **Edward** » Sun 09 Oct, 2005 7:25 pm

I presently use SeaMonkey 1.1a (alpha) most of the time. I continue to prefer an all-in-one suite.

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by **casey1992** » Mon 10 Oct, 2005 11:57 pm

James wrote:I'd jump to the 1.5 beta but I don't want to jeopardize my extensions.

If you want to try the Firefox beta and keep the option of going back to 1.0, definitely make a new profile. 1.5 makes changes to the profile that won't allow you to go back. Among other things, 1.5's cache folder is moved out of the profile folder.

I installed 8 extensions under 1.5. I had to bump the maxversion is 6 of them to get them to install (4 for Beta 1; 2 more for Beta 2). The good news is that after I did that, they've all worked fine.

By the way, my browser of choice is Firefox 1.0.7. I love what I've seen of 1.5, though. I expect to switch to it permanently before the final release comes out.

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by **macallan1824** » Mon 17 Oct, 2005 8:35 am

Don_HH2K wrote:...It's on a rare occasion that I use Netscape 8, as mousewheel scrolling for Synaptics laptop trackpads is not implemented yet, ....

I'd head on over to the touchpad driver section on Synaptics.com as a driver upgrade fixed the virtual scrolling problems on my HP laptop with newer FF builds as well as NS8. From comments on bugzilla from synaptics tech support, it seems it's their code that was broken all along ....

As to browser, now NS8 is finally stable, its nudging in front.... its Firefox underneath and can display the IE specific sites I need, but now I get a single Interface and just one set of bookmarks, and never need to run IE again.

Now Windows Update runs a treat under NS8, I don't even need IE for that anymore.

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by **geffr** » Tue 18 Oct, 2005 2:31 am

I'm going back & forth Between FF 1.5 Beta 2 & 1.07. After several days, I'm seeing very little difference between the 2; the only reason I've kept 1.07 at all is because my fav extension (add bookmark here) & theme (pinball) haven't been ported to the beta yet. As I partially mentioned in in earlier post, I have also found a few bugs with the beta's rendering of fonts. I still use NS 4.79 email; Thunderbird makes me go through a couple extra steps to file email into folders I've imported from NS, so I'm holding out as long as possible. Ebay now has html code in some of their emails that freezes NS 4.79, so I will likely switch soon. I haven't tried NS8 (read too many negatives on it on this board, & I'm happy with FF) or IE7 (I'm on Win 98 & every other version of IE has been a security nightmare; suspect this one's little better); I definitely prefer FF to NS7 & IE6. Not sure why I prefer FF over Moz, but i do.

Security is a big issue for me; my understanding is the FF beta is more secure then 1.07 which outweighs the few small negatives mentioned above.

Geff R

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