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Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:02 am

And something bad about it... It supports its own selections of standards.

Don't all browser vendors only selectively implement standards? ;)

EDIT - This topic is split from Who is better, Netscape or Opera ? thread, and added quote, Antony.
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Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:14 am

Hendikins wrote:Don't all browser vendors only selectively implement standards? ;)
Not their strange selections.
BTW, Netscape is not to select standards, Netscape was the one making standards. It's all MSIE's fault.
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Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:19 am

The W3C make the standards, the vendors make "defacto standards"... Microsoft and Netscape being just as guilty as each other.
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about standards

Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:25 am

HTML was not created by Netscape, however there were a number of HTML (3) - Netscape extented.

Look at the standard defined by W3C, many of Microsoft's tags were taken but very few from Netscape, another good evidence of the fact that: W3C is heavily controlled by Microsoft. (you can also check the member lists)

Also, JavaScript is called JavaScript not ECMAScript or JScript. And it was created by Netscape, it's all Microsoft's fault.
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Re: about standards

Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:30 am

Antony wrote:Look at the standard defined by W3C, many of Microsoft's tags were taken but very few from Netscape, another good evidence of the fact that: W3C is heavily controlled by Microsoft. (you can also check the member lists)


Look at HTML 4.0. Many of Microsoft's additions were left out. The additions that were made by Netscape had mostly been added to HTML 3.2, and/or CSS (such as text-decoration: blink;). The W3C isn't Microsoft /controlled/ either, and I can point to the member list and say it.

Also, JavaScript is called JavaScript not ECMAScript or JScript. And it was created by Netscape, it's all Microsoft's fault.


Javascript is still Javascript. ECMAscript is the base standard, Javascript being ECMA compliant with extensions. JScript is Microsoft's name for their implementation of the same thing.
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Re: about standards

Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:36 am

Hendikins wrote:...
Look at HTML 4.0. Many of Microsoft's additions were left out. The additions that were made by Netscape had mostly been added to HTML 3.2, and/or CSS (such as text-decoration: blink;). The W3C isn't Microsoft /controlled/ either, and I can point to the member list and say it.
Just do some simply math, how many members were from Netscape, and how many were from Microsoft + Microsoft alliance (and companies sold to Microsoft).

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Also, JavaScript is called JavaScript not ECMAScript or JScript. And it was created by Netscape, it's all Microsoft's fault.

Javascript is still Javascript. ECMAscript is the base standard, Javascript being ECMA compliant with extensions. JScript is Microsoft's name for their implementation of the same thing.
JavaScript is created first. And Microsoft's JScript created chaos, hence there is ECMAScript.
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Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 2:40 am

1. Numbers please? Links to numbers?

2. Setting down a base specification that can't just be changed whenever a vendor feels like it is never a bad thing :)
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W3C standard issue

Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 3:20 am

Hendikins wrote:2. Setting down a base specification that can't just be changed whenever a vendor feels like it is never a bad thing :)
It is called "improved" not "changed".
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Re: W3C standard issue

Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 3:38 am

Antony wrote:
Hendikins wrote:2. Setting down a base specification that can't just be changed whenever a vendor feels like it is never a bad thing :)
It is called "improved" not "changed".


I use the term "changed" in a generic manner, for example, the Windows API gets "changed", not "improved"... :)
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Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 4:10 am

To give you one example, the change from JavaScript1.1 to JavaScript1.2 (and later JavaScript1.3) is significant and great. And this great change could not been done if it requires decisions from a mixture of companies.
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Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 4:13 am

It would be possible, just look at HTML 3.2 -> 4.0 -> XHTML
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Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 4:22 am

Hendikins wrote:It would be possible, just look at HTML 3.2 -> 4.0 -> XHTML

Up to HTML 4 is fine. stop there!!!
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Postby Hendikins » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 4:27 am

You don't like XHTML? The only thing I don't like about it is the poor useragent support :)
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Postby Antony » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 7:28 am

which browser supports XHTML correctly?
And what extra (big) benefits would XHTML offer? (over HTML + JavaScript + CSS)
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Postby Shark Daddy » Tue 19 Nov, 2002 4:38 pm

None really... and as for browsers, Mozilla and Opera are pretty good. IE 6 isn't bad either.
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