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Postby DrDean » Sun 15 May, 2005 9:09 am

Summation:

To: Lorraine - A sensible question my dear since you live in Canada. I don't practice in Quebec, I live there in a small town (very small). I don't "practice", I co-author medical textbooks and also am a fee paid consultant in both fields.

To: James - Another sensible post. You don't have to be confused, James. Just sit back and observe the witch-hunt and unfounded accusations. This is a nice place to visit and get support with the exception of this forum.

To: Eddie Paxil - You're a "loyal" member. Continue to be, Antony needs all the help he can get. And you can't find a pathologist or pyschologist in Canada because you haven't done a thorough search. You won't find me because I am not associated with a hospital or learning institution and I don't have a private practice. Carry on with your witch hunt if you must.

To: Kourge - Another sensible question from Mr Lee. Deanne is a nick-name given to me by classmates in pathology because I, for whatever reason, reminded them of a cartoon character named "Deanne". And the name just stuck to this day.

And last but not least:

To: Antony - Grow up! You based your impersonation findings on an IP address but you fail to understand what VPN is and how it works or for the sake of this witch hunt you just don't want to admit the truth. Admit to your followers that you made a mistake. Be a MAN !!

For those that don't know what VPN is, it stands for Virtual Private Network. Anybody from any location in the world can access a VPN from their location and use the applications hosted on that VPN computer, such as email, news. web browser, etc. I happen to be using Jay's VPN server in New Orleans to post here, therefore the same IP address. Simple as that. I could post using my Videotron ModemCable connection but it's more interesting to watch the fun here.

And why Antony, are you censoring out my email address ******.com? You must be doing it manually because a word censor acts immediately and I've previewed my posts after several minutes and the valid address is still there. Is there any reason that you don't want your users to see my valid address?

Bye for now ..

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Postby DrDean » Sun 15 May, 2005 9:50 am

Oh, so now I can't edit my posts? So here's a fresh one then.

And why Antony, are you censoring out my email address ******.com?

The email address is @* * * * * *. C O M

* * * * * * is HOT Communications, nothing sinister or untowards.

Or just use "DrDean"<daffy.duck@*********.com>

Or even "DrDean"<drdean@*********.com>

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Postby DrDean » Sun 15 May, 2005 10:19 am

It's ok Antony, I want my address posted, no problem, unless YOU have a problem with it or one of your "trusted" moderators.

Suffix is ******* dot com or ********* dot com or ************ dot com

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Postby Don_HH2K » Sun 15 May, 2005 1:52 pm

Off the subject of e-mail addresses for a moment...

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RE: Welcome Jay Garcia...

Postby EddiePaxil » Sun 15 May, 2005 4:10 pm

DrDean wrote:To: Eddie Paxil - You're a "loyal" member. Continue to be, Antony needs all the help he can get.


Dictionary.com wrote:loyal

adj 1: steadfast in allegiance or duty 2: inspired by love for your country 3: unwavering in devotion to friend or vow or cause


"Loyal" (I don't know where the quotes come from I didn't use that word) it's pretty strong. The only things I'm loyal to are my family, my wife, my dog, my best friends and my countries, Cuba & the United States respectively.

This word may be more appropriate.

Dictionary.com wrote: support
Function: transitive verb
1 a : to promote the interests or cause of b : to uphold or defend as valid or right c : to argue or vote for
2 : to provide with substantiation or corroboration <support an alibi>



DrDean wrote: And you can't find a pathologist or psychologist in Canada because you haven't done a thorough search. You won't find me because I am not associated with a hospital or learning institution and I don't have a private practice.


No internet search is truly thorough.

Mostly what I said was for the sake of some humor and some levity. You see I find it silly that first you were this and then you were that. You come on to someone's website as they are disclosing a situation with the users of that website that may reflect on the name of that website. You argue that he should accept what is a comprise presented only after a series of insults. The entire time presenting yourself in a false manner. First someone else's IP address, coincidentally, the very person that is the topic of discussion. Then revealing you are a longtime friend. You also make your profile that of a 77 year old man. Then revealing, that no, you are a 51 year old woman. If you wanted to ensure some security on some level, why not simply do as I did? Include only basics that are necessary. First name and where your from. Instead you veil yourself under something completely false. Whether you're Jay Garcia or Dr. Deanne you've still presented yourself in a false manner. [/quote]

DrDean wrote:And why Antony, are you censoring out my email address ******.com? You must be doing it manually because a word censor acts immediately and I've previewed my posts after several minutes and the valid address is still there. Is there any reason that you don't want your users to see my valid address?

DrDean


Perhaps he's acting like a responsible web-master. In case someone does get out of hand and e-mails you inappropriately.

dluchini30 wrote:Well, I think I've found our person...
There is someone by the name of Dr. Deanne Breitman apparently living somewhere in Canada. Oddly enough, the story seems to work out fine, as her position is in psychology. I haven't found much else besides that she was speaking recently at the University of Alberta. But, this narrows it down to either the truth or a very elaborate case of identity theft...
Source: http://www.med.ualberta.ca/news-publications/


That can't be her. Because that announcement says:
University of Alberta wrote:Monday, May 16, 2005
Dr. Deanne Breitman, Psychiatry Resident
"Psychiatric Complications of Corticosteroid Use"
10:30 AM, 2F1.04 WMC (Classroom D)
Department of Psychiatry Grand Rounds


This doctor is listed as a Psychiatry Resident who is giving lectures at a university.

DrDean wrote:You won't find me because I am not associated with a hospital or learning institution and I don't have a private practice.


DrDean wrote:Carry on with your witch hunt if you must.


You know, I'm extremely hard to sincerely offend. However, this statement does offend me. In fact it's the main reason I spent the time to post again.

Dictionary.com wrote:witch-hunt also witch hunt

An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.


The keyword being ostensibly.

Dictionary.com wrote:Ostensibly

adv : from appearances alone;


Nothing here comes from appearances alone. You did arrive using someone else's IP address. You did initially claim you were a 77 year old man. You didn't reveal being a friend of the person in question. You now say you're a 51 year old woman.

Our search for the truth behind your activities does not come from appearances alone.

The reason calling this a witch hunt offends me, is because I am someone who has been a longtime supporter of a retrial for a young group of men convicted in Arkansas known as the West Memphis Three. There is a possibility that this may be a case of a real life "witch hunt".
And for you to throw that term around after presenting yourself under false pretenses is wrong.

Here's your third posting on Silly Dog:

DrDean wrote:... why would this fella with the UFAQ offer to redirect the domains AND provide a nice link to SillyDog if there was so much hate and discontent. Just my .02 !! :-)


The term " this fella" shows that you were veiling the fact that you are friends with Mr. Garcia.

Next time think a little before throwing out a term like "witch hunt".

Choose your words a little more wisely doctor.

I recommend www.dictionary.com
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Postby ChrisI » Mon 16 May, 2005 2:35 am

What's this? Antony Shen automatically jumps to the most pessimistic conclusion possible? Typical Antony Shen. Of course, the follow-up is that he'll die before he admits he was wrong. Even if I point out this usenet thread, which is dated February 18th, 2005; or ask him to look at his archive of secnews for the IP address of the poster alias CG (yup, same VPN).

The "UFAQ gang" poster rank is pretty immature too.

For any newbies out there, Antony Shen believes that all user support venues are in competition with each other (ie. adversaries), and all his arguments stem from that. This is a point of view that is not shared in other venues.
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Postby Ron Williams » Mon 16 May, 2005 2:15 pm

I agree with everything that Chris I. says.
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Pessimism

Postby loki » Mon 16 May, 2005 8:39 pm

ChrisI wrote:What's this? Antony Shen automatically jumps to the most pessimistic conclusion possible? Typical Antony Shen. Of course, the follow-up is that he'll die before he admits he was wrong. Even if I point out this usenet thread, which is dated February 18th, 2005; or ask him to look at his archive of secnews for the IP address of the poster alias CG (yup, same VPN).

The "UFAQ gang" poster rank is pretty immature too.

For any newbies out there, Antony Shen believes that all user support venues are in competition with each other (ie. adversaries), and all his arguments stem from that. This is a point of view that is not shared in other venues.


I've been following this whole scenario and am not taking sides one way or the other.

I've noticed your recent reappearance in SillyDog701 is it just to back Jay Garcia (or DrDean) up?
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The "UFAQ gang" poster rank is pretty immature too

Postby loki » Mon 16 May, 2005 8:57 pm

Can we drop the immaturity and competitive nonsense too!

Re: For any newbies out there, Antony Shen believes that all user support venues are in competition with each other (ie. adversaries)

Not true. I've been lurking both sides for a long time, and I always have a feeling that links posting back to SillyDog701 are not welcome there. The SillyDog701 link in the Web Link section at uFAQ.org disappeared a few times in the past.

From what I can see, SillyDog701 does not censor any links back to uFAQ.org.

Oh well, guess it's time for me to go back to lurking.

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Postby Antony » Tue 17 May, 2005 9:41 am

Nice rant, Mr Garcia.

DrDean wrote:I don't practice in Quebec, I live there in a small town (very small). I don't "practice", I co-author medical textbooks and also am a fee paid consultant in both fields.
A clinical psychologist who doesn't practice!? That's really interesting. Nice try, Jay.

DrDean wrote:This is a nice place to visit and get support with the exception of this forum.
I read this sentence.
So this neutral observer, then a so-called Clinical Pyschology, then a MD Pathology and Clinical Psychology. Then it seems to me, you not just changed your age, but also able to change your gender.
Since there are so many changes, as for your names... "Dean" to "Deanne", and now "unknown". What is next?

DrDean wrote:You're a "loyal" member. Continue to be, Antony needs all the help he can get.
Haven't you, Mr Garcia, had enough "loyal" members in your site and newsgroups.
Why do you need to be so jealous? I haven't seen anyone going there and post a message like this. Oh yeah, both your site and the newsgroups are heavily censored.
I sincerely hope you can enjoy true freedom of speech here. However, as a so-called "Pathologist + Clinical Psychologist", you should know that you simply demeaned yourself once more, Mr Garcia.

DrDean wrote:To: Antony - Grow up! You based your impersonation findings on an IP address but you fail to understand what VPN is and how it works or for the sake of this witch hunt you just don't want to admit the truth.
For your information, I know networking very well.

DrDean wrote:And why Antony, are you censoring out my email address ******.com?
Allow me to borrow words from this newsgroup post (in netscape.netscape7.windows newsgroup).
Somebody, not me, is playing a joke on you DrDean err Jay. I have no such censor enabled on the SillyDog701. Maybe there's somebody at your browser that "has it in for you", time to invesitgate and punish the perpetrator.

DrDean wrote:You must be doing it manually because a word censor acts immediately and I've previewed my posts after several minutes and the valid address is still there. Is there any reason that you don't want your users to see my valid address?
Again,
Maybe there's somebody at your browser that "has it in for you", time to invesitgate and punish the perpetrator.


The referenced newsgroup post may to deleted, and only very few people have access to it. For those who missed that newsgroup post, please see [sdp=47976]this post[/sdp].

ChrisI wrote:The "UFAQ gang" poster rank is pretty immature too.
"Too"? So you are saying Mr Jay Garcia was immature at first place.
Thank you.
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Postby Antony » Tue 17 May, 2005 10:17 am

For those who wonder what happened to DrDean, it's simply, DrDean decided to change his email address, and JayGarcia's server decided to bounce back all emails sending from sillydog.org server. So, don't blame me of reading those bounced back emails.

Since DrDean [sdp=57073]lied about the server last time[/sdp], (which I sent him manually the activation code for him to activate the account.)

This time, I'd better show some screenshots.

The first bounced mail from Mr Garcia's server has time-stamp: 1:23AM
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and 13 minutes later (time-stamp: 1:36AM), another email bounced back from Mr Garcia's server. This time, a new account DoctorDean is registering.
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NOTE: SillyDog701 has a single account policy, this new account clearly breached SillyDog701's policy.

Then, nearly an hour later, another new registration email got bounced back from Mr Garcia's server again. This time with the real identity - JayGarcia
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Well, again, SillyDog701 welcomes Jay Garcia's join.
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Welcome on board.

So, Mr Garcia, I am really surprised that you don't even enable your server to accept emails from sillydog.org server when you are running a great website with forums.
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Postby Antony » Tue 17 May, 2005 10:30 am

I think it's time to end this JayGarcia's fictional identity, which DrDean has been smartly shifting our attention away from the [sdt=8871]main issue[/sdt].

Please accept our warmest welcome.

It's time to back to the main issues:
1. UFAQ.org cybersquatted SillyDog701; and
2. Jay Garcia demanded me to apologise to someone who cybersquatted SillyDog701.
:arrow: [sdt=7565]UFAQ.org bans and cybersquats SillyDog701[/sdt]

DrDean is Mr Jay Garcia, and additional accounts are not allowed in SillyDog701.

Another interesting observation shows that DrDean, DoctorDean and JayGarcia all have the same password. (Perhaps initial passwords.) Don't blame me of reading bounced emails, where passwords are not encrypted.

Note: member's passwords are encrypted, even if I hack into database, I won't be able to see those. However, Mr Garcia's server decided to bounce back those emails, please do not blame me of reading bounced emails.

ChrisI wrote:What's this? Antony Shen automatically jumps to the most pessimistic conclusion possible? Typical Antony Shen.

So now Chris, are you going to tell me that they are so keen to use impractical VPN for general web surfing and all choose the same password for registering?
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Re: Pessimism

Postby ChrisI » Wed 18 May, 2005 1:00 am

loki wrote:I've been following this whole scenario and am not taking sides one way or the other.

I've noticed your recent reappearance in SillyDog701 is it just to back Jay Garcia (or DrDean) up?
No, what I post is of my own mind. I find your question very indicative of the attitudes in these forums. Antony creates an atmosphere of mistrust, and now people have to bother saying things like "I am not taking sides one way or the other." You shouldn't have to say that, and I'm sure you would appreciate it if people took your words at face value, instead of questioning your motives. There is no "UFAQ gang", and if someone agrees with Antony's opinions, I trust that it isn't simply a case of him/her being "loyal." Everyone in here should be given at least that amount of respect.

Antony wrote:"Too"? So you are saying Mr Jay Garcia was immature at first place.
Thank you.
"Too" as in "in addition to my previous paragraph." <sigh>

By the way, have looked at your own privacy policy lately?
"Under no circumstances does SillyDog701 divulge any information about an individual user to a third party."
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Re: Pessimism

Postby Antony » Wed 18 May, 2005 7:50 am

ChrisI wrote:I find your question very indicative of the attitudes in these forums. Antony creates an atmosphere of mistrust, and now people have to bother saying things like "I am not taking sides one way or the other." You shouldn't have to say that, and I'm sure you would appreciate it if people took your words at face value, instead of questioning your motives.
What is that sentence got to do with me? I believe you should realise that phrase was from a guy with said to be a 77 year old male neutral observer then a 51 year old female close friend of Jay Garcia, then access from Jay's very same IP address. [sdp=56797]reference[/sdp].

ChrisI wrote:
Antony wrote:"Too"? So you are saying Mr Jay Garcia was immature at first place.
Thank you.
"Too" as in "in addition to my previous paragraph." <sigh>

And if "UFAQ gang" is immature, then what is your comment on following?
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ChrisI wrote:By the way, have looked at your own privacy policy lately?
"Under no circumstances does SillyDog701 divulge any information about an individual user to a third party."
I have.
However, due to [sdp=57079]a deliberately lie[/sdp] from DrDean, it would be useful to put those evidences with all private information being censored out. And of course, you can enjoy new version of the story.

Well, SD701 Admin passed following message to me, and asked me to post it.
Jay Garcia wrote:Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by
Jay Garcia (jay@*********.com) on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 at 23:19:07
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Message_Body: You said:

Another interesting observation shows that DrDean, DoctorDean and
JayGarcia all have the same password. (Perhaps initial passwords.)
Don't blame me of reading bounced emails, where passwords are not
encrypted.

Like I said before, if you know anything about VPN access then
EVERYBODY uses a common password to gain access and send mail, even
myself. I access the internet via VPN from my home and the VPN server
is at my office. Get with the program Antony.

Ok to post this in the group for all to see.

Jay
So everybody who use Virtual Private Network must use SAME password? How ridiculous is that?
I use VPN often, and I have two VPN running. I don't need to use same passwords. There's no need for everybody to use a common password to gain access or to send emails.
And the password for other websites?

Jay, we need a better story.
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Postby admin » Wed 18 May, 2005 7:46 pm

I've been handling all feedback for Antony for the last few days. There are two messages Jay wished to be passed over.

Jay Garcia wrote:(quoting above post)
I don't need a better story, you need to understand VPN a bit better. I
have a circle of VERY trusted family and friends that use my VPN. It
was MY choice to use a common password scheme, simple as that. How I
operate my VPN is MY choice and I choose to use a common access entry.

And like I mentioned in another feedback, DrDean is flying to Sydney in
another month or two and would like to meet you. Ok ?

Jay

Ok to post in group.


Jay Garcia wrote:I think I close the browser before "Submitting" this one so I'll submit
it again:


Since not everybody understands the term "Gang", I APOLOGIZE for using
"Gang" when I mentioned "SillyDog Gang".

Merriam-Webster:

Gang

2) a group of persons working together

This is what was actually meant when I used the term "Gang".

And BTW, I am the only one involved in the UFAQ, so there is no "UFAQ
Gang". But if it makes you happy to use the term then
I have no problem with it. Sort of amusing anyway.

Ok to post to group.

Jay

It looks like Jay is retrieving "SillyDog Gang", I will contact Antony to retrieve "UFAQ Gang" shortly, and leave Antony to comment on Jay's VPN and password story.

Also, SillyDog701 Administrators had different views on DrDean/DoctorDean/JayGarcia account case.
I told Antony it was Jay's server setting, not accepting emails sending from "sillydog.org server", but would accept if send manually. It is easy to see that "DoctorDean" account was created due to an error, and can be deleted.

Jay is welcome in SillyDog701, and I will manually reinstate his account. The decision regarding DrDean's account, there's no much point, as all he/she talks is Jay's words. Also re a feedback sent by Jay, DrDean's account is not important.

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