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Wham! Bam! Farewell IBM ??

Postby FrankoSport » Fri 03 Dec, 2004 11:54 am

Greetings ...

It is being reported today (12-03-04) that IBM is apparently in negotiations that would result in its personal computer division being sold off.

If this happens, it will close out the 23-year saga of IBM's involvement in personal computers.

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Postby Ron Williams » Sun 05 Dec, 2004 1:09 am

I know that IBM revolutionized computing but why are other companys allowed to use the same technology when IBM really came up with the first part. Think about it since lucas arts made star wars disney can not make a sequel to star wars even if it was a different plot. Why doesn't the same apply to computers.
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Re: Wham! Bam! Farewell IBM ??

Postby Antony » Sun 05 Dec, 2004 1:16 am

FrankoSport wrote:It is being reported today (12-03-04) that IBM is apparently in negotiations that would result in its personal computer division being sold off.
Currently, it is only in *possible* stage...
Nothing has confirmed yet.

As long as IBM is still manufacturing Apple's high-end G5 Processor chip, it will be fine.
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Postby Ron Williams » Sun 05 Dec, 2004 12:20 pm

I am a little apprehensive about using apple things but I recently tried a computer with the G5 processor in it, it was awesome.
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IBM and the PC

Postby FrankoSport » Sun 05 Dec, 2004 4:42 pm

Greetings ..

piranarew wrote:I know that IBM revolutionized computing but why are other companys allowed to use the same technology when IBM really came up with the first part. Think about it since lucas arts made star wars disney can not make a sequel to star wars even if it was a different plot. Why doesn't the same apply to computers.


Actually, IBM put its Personal Computer together based on already established hardware/software that was either acquired from or licensed thru others. Two key elements that fueled the IBM-PC were Intel's 8088 (part 8-bit, part 16-bit) processor chip and Microsoft's PC-DOS Operating System. PC-DOS was a modification of QDOS - aka "Quick and Dirty Operating System".

QDOS, originally written for the fully 16-bit Intel 8086, had been purchased by Microsoft from Seattle Computer Products for just $50,000 - and nothing more. Microsoft cleverly (ahh, sneakingly?) hid the fact that they were buying QDOS to help cement a software licensing deal with IBM - a deal involving untold jillions in royalties for Microsoft, who kept ALL OF THE RIGHTS to the software.

In reality,we should call it the Microsoft-Intel PC, because in fact, 33% of the profit share went to Microsoft and and another 33% went to Intel. IBM got most of the remaining 33%.

Now, one part of the IBM-PC was IBM's alone - the ROM-BIOS chip. So, if you wanted to make your own IBM PC clone, you could get MS-DOS via license from Microsoft (who knew all along that the clone business would happen), and you could get all working parts, except for the IBM ROM-BIOS chip, right off the shelf.

Various legalities made getting an IBM ROM-BIOS chip virtually impossible without having go thru Big Blue itself. So, a group of technicians did what is known as reverse engineering - drawing up specifications for a ROM-BIOS chip that would behave exactly like IBM's, but would not violate any patent-copyright laws.

The result of their work was the Compaq personal computer. Suddenly, ROM-BIOS chips joined all other PC parts on the shelf, companies such as Dell and Gateway sprang up - along with your friendly local homebrew stores, and the IBM clones eventually took over the market.

Wham! Bam! Thank You, IBM!
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Postby Antony » Mon 06 Dec, 2004 1:19 am

Thanks for bringing up the story about DOS.

There's more. With the release of Windows 3.x, Microsoft intentionally coded into the Windows 3.x, if it was running under non-Microsoft's DOS (such as PC Dos and DrDOS) Windows 3.x would crash randomly.

So, wonder why suddenly we did not hear other DOS back then?

Microsoft is not your friend.
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Postby Andrew T. » Tue 07 Dec, 2004 10:43 pm

It looks official now: According to C|net, "IBM sells PC group to Lenovo.".

C|net wrote:Chinese PC maker Lenovo Group said Tuesday it will take a majority stake in a partnership with IBM's PC group in a deal valued at $1.75 billion.

The two companies announced a plan to form a complex joint venture that would make Lenovo the third-largest PC maker in the world, behind Dell and Hewlett-Packard, but still give IBM a hand in the PC business. The acqusition is expected to be completed in the second quarter of 2005.

Under the deal, IBM will take an 18.9 percent stake in Lenovo. Lenovo will pay $1.25 billion for the IBM PC unit and assume debt, which will bring the total cost to $1.75 billion. Lenovo will pay roughtly $650 million in cash and $600 million in securities. The joint venture is expected to ship around 12 million units based on 2003 numbers and have annual revenue from PC sales of $12 billion.

Lenovo will be the preferred supplier of PCs to IBM and will be allowed to use the IBM brand for five years under an agreement that includes the "Think" brand.
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Postby Antony » Tue 07 Dec, 2004 10:58 pm

Only $1.75 billion?

Netscape was worth $4.2 billion when AOL acquired it.
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Postby Al » Wed 08 Dec, 2004 12:18 am

4.2 now is a lot I think it could be 5 billion. Marc would be really rich. I don't think this is good for Apple nor IBM
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Postby Antony » Wed 08 Dec, 2004 12:31 am

Al wrote:I don't think this is good for Apple nor IBM
I don't think the PowerMac G5 manufacturing lab was affected.

Let's wait for the MacWorld San Francisco 2005 with Apple's announcement :-)
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Postby Al » Wed 08 Dec, 2004 12:38 am

I just hope that they don't go with MS. Something like IBM or HP would be better :D
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