SillyDog701

[Antony]

News from Australian IT. ( [url]http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,20291440^15306,00.html[/url] )

Windows Vista Ultimate will be very very expensive, at US$399 a copy (that's about AU$524), according to Amazon.com's pre-order price and is scheduled to be released on 30th January 2007.

It' even more expensive to but Windows Vista from the good neighbour of the States. $C499 (about US$100 more than the US price).

In contrary, Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" is merely US$129. You can buy Mac OS X 10.4 through SillyDog701's link and support SillyDog701. Just a gentle reminder, don't steal Mac OS X!

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[Don_HH2K]

That's because Vista Ultimate packs in all the features of all of the versions of Vista. It's cheaper than multibooting Vista Home, Vista Pro, and Vista Enterprise, which all combined would give the same featureset.

Also take into consideration that since Apple makes both the hardware and the software, you're already paying for OS X in some form, so you can always get the upgrade edition. The base upgrade edition for Windows is still $99 to the best of my knowledge, and you can find it even cheaper if you look around.

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[Antony]

That's because Vista Ultimate packs in all the features of all of the versions of Vista. It's cheaper than multibooting Vista Home, Vista Pro, and Vista Enterprise, which all combined would give the same featureset.

I fail to understand your example? Do people really getting XP Home and XP Professional in different partitions?

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[Pu7o]

Not everybody needs the Ultimate edition... Vista Home and Vista Pro will be cheaper than that, of course.

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[Don_HH2K]

That's because Vista Ultimate packs in all the features of all of the versions of Vista. It's cheaper than multibooting Vista Home, Vista Pro, and Vista Enterprise, which all combined would give the same featureset.

I fail to understand your example? Do people really getting XP Home and XP Professional in different partitions?

No. What I meant is that Ultimate has both the functionality of Home and Pro built in, making it cheaper (and easier to run and manage, I might add) than buying both Home and Pro, partitioning your drive and half, and installing each on its own partition.

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[orizng]

well think about vista takes 5 years to prepare, its, like, windows users pay that much in 5 years, and how much do apple's users pay in 5 years for their system? LOL
don't get me wrong, i do think OSX is better than windows, but apple's developing policy is making me think they are just eager for cash.

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[Rikku]

Ourselves here at KJC are looking forward to Vista when it comes out, and Tidus has installed Beta 2 on our company Core2Duo system, and it runs very well. We're already preparing staff for Vista RIS procedures (Remote Installation Service) which is our method of deploying a custom image of an OS onto our production line machines, for customers, a bit like the way mainstream manufacturers do.

I remeber back in 2001, XP was around the £300 - £400 mark when it was first relesed. I have no experience with Macs, or Apple machines, i've not ever used one, i've only ever used a Windows package.

Don't knock Vista, it isn't even out yet, so it's bound to have bugs and things in, and be expensive. A car is expensive brand new, is it not?

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[Antony]

well think about vista takes 5 years to prepare, its, like, windows users pay that much in 5 years, and how much do apple's users pay in 5 years for their system?

Apple users are not required to upgrade with every new OS X releases, but I like this analogy.

Further on this analogy, Apple released a new version of OS X with hundreds of new features and some breakthrough technologies with every release over the last 5 years.
Some important technologies such as Rendezvous (now called Bonjour) - zero configuration networking technology, Exposé - windows managing, etc. We shall see when will Windows catch up on those handy features.

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[orizng]

its not fair to compare so called "zero configuration network" or others of mac to windows, apple only need to care about the drivers of handful hardwares, while windows does provide drivers for variety of hardwares.
I dont see how "breakthrough" in these .1 increment version of OSX, they are all, in my opinion, a package that was intentionally split into several parts. I can wait for apple to work for 3 years for a 10.5 after the release of 10.2. "hundreds of new features", mostly are small stuff that promise to improve the ease of use, few of them has technical breakthrough, those might be looks good, but doesn't deserve another $129.

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[Mandrake]

This IS a thread about Windows Vista The Mac vs PC thread is still there, wouldn't that be a better place for your debating on this topic?

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[Antony]

its not fair to compare so called "zero configuration network" or others of mac to windows, apple only need to care about the drivers of handful hardwares, while windows does provide drivers for variety of hardwares.

Let me give you real example, I recently changed the office twice, each time I moved into a new room, everybody had to ask for printer driver, IP address and other settings guide etc, except. All I need to do is simply open Preferences and add the printer to my Printer list. Bonjour does that for me.

Mac OS X does include a number of drivers as well

It's true not all new features are "breakthrough", but all those improvement make computing a lot easier.

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[Don_HH2K]

Rendezvous (now called Bonjour) - zero configuration networking technology

Already in there since Windows 2000's 1999 debut.

Exposé - windows managing

Alt+Tab has been around since Windows 3.1. The XP PowerToys package has both an Alt-Tab replacement that will show you previews of open windows (much like Exposé) and a multiple desktop manager. Vista has taskbar previews built in.

Moving this debate to the PC vs Mac thread sounds like a good idea.

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[Antony]

Rendezvous (now called Bonjour) - zero configuration networking technology

Already in there since Windows 2000's 1999 debut.

Then, pray telleth me why Windows users have to go through complicated printer setup?

Exposé - windows managing

Alt+Tab has been around since Windows 3.1. The XP PowerToys package has both an Alt-Tab replacement that will show you previews of open windows (much like Exposé) and a multiple desktop manager..

"Much like Exposé"? if so, why would someone sell a product called [sdp=24467]winexpose[/sdp], right after Mac OS X 10.3 Panther's release?

Yes, this thread is about Vista, but Vista steals many features from OS X...

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[Don_HH2K]

Rendezvous (now called Bonjour) - zero configuration networking technology

Already in there since Windows 2000's 1999 debut.

Then, pray telleth me why Windows users have to go through complicated printer setup?

They do? If I remember correctly, on my other machine I was able to hook up my LaserJet 1020 and before that an Epson Stylus C62, and have XP do the rest of the work.

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[orizng]

Let me give you real example, I recently changed the office twice, each time I moved into a new room, everybody had to ask for printer driver, IP address and other settings guide etc, except. All I need to do is simply open Preferences and add the printer to my Printer list. Bonjour does that for me.
Mac OS X does include a number of drivers as well
It's true not all new features are "breakthrough", but all those improvement make computing a lot easier.

well, my roommate has two different wireless networks (home and office), his windows doesn't need any configuration neither. Before I got this mac, I was using windows, and i have Office LAN and home wireless too, there is no problem switch automatically neither. While Bonjour is good, in any fixed IP environment, people still need to input address.
And I agree, printer driver under windows is not very convenient, but the problem is there are some printers that don't have driver for mac at all(such as my dept.'s printer-copier). Now consider the printer's driver occupy 2GB disk space on any new mac.
Again, although OSX is good, its price policy just isn't honest. $60 would be a reasonable price.

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