Oct 09 00:15:48 --> Don_HH2K (~chatzilla@1a358005.27ea28c2.1ccf6d0.cc59707X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 00:24:39 <-- Don_HH2K has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Donzilla 0.8 PR1/20050915]) Oct 09 02:20:44 --> beanboy89 (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 02:27:55 <-- beanboy89 has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0a/0000000000]) Oct 09 06:53:12 --> Pu7o (~puto@2d8b4caa.28a85a1b.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 06:53:14 :) Oct 09 07:01:19 <-- Pu7o has quit (Ping timeout) Oct 09 07:04:09 --> Pu7o (~puto@2e1bf8a9.12daef3.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 07:08:57 * Pu7o [22:04:27] * Bmw1000c eu so rezo a deus para k o ricardo n se constipe, pk senao a gripe das aves levanos a todos <- :\ Oct 09 07:09:06 * Pu7o agreed perfectly Oct 09 08:01:19 antony: are you awake? Oct 09 08:01:30 --- Received a CTCP VERSION from Pu7o Oct 09 08:01:48 cool, you're using xchat Oct 09 08:05:06 --> Don_HH2K (~chatzilla@16b4fba6.1b4962bd.13e0fa6.1faf4a71X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:06:41 <-- Don_HH2K has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Donzilla 0.8 PR1/20050915]) Oct 09 08:08:46 --> Don_HH2K (~chatzilla@16b4fba6.1b4962bd.13e0fa6.1faf4a71X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:12:48 --> Puto (~puto@38be9aca.2b32ee69.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:15:00 <-- Pu7o has quit (Ping timeout) Oct 09 08:15:14 <-- Puto has quit (Leaving: This computer has gone to sleep) Oct 09 08:22:49 --> ronw (~chatzilla@1f49225e.ba95af8.2850d5e8.24624475X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:23:00 --> Puto (~puto@38be9aca.2b32ee69.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:24:54 --- Puto is now known as Pu7o Oct 09 08:25:01 <-- ronw (~chatzilla@1f49225e.ba95af8.2850d5e8.24624475X) has left #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:25:12 lol, he didn't stay very long Oct 09 08:25:24 that was only to be expected I guess Oct 09 08:26:32 --> Ron_Williams (~chatzilla@1f49225e.ba95af8.2850d5e8.24624475X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:26:35 --- Ron_Williams is now known as Ron Oct 09 08:27:04 hi Ron :) Oct 09 08:30:30 --- Ron is now known as Ron_W Oct 09 08:31:21 so how is everyone today? Oct 09 08:31:27 i'm fine :) Oct 09 08:31:38 I'm alright Oct 09 08:31:43 thats good Oct 09 08:41:20 --> Puto (~puto@1de2983b.642f304.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 08:41:26 <-- Pu7o has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Puto))) Oct 09 08:41:28 --- Puto is now known as Pu7o Oct 09 08:45:35 tabbed browsing is cool, but sometimes it gets annoying when i have 20+ tabs up Oct 09 08:46:10 what would you have open in 20+ tabs? Oct 09 08:46:21 whenever i open a new website, i do it in a new tab Oct 09 08:46:28 in the end i get a lot of them Oct 09 08:46:50 just now i had around 13 wikipedia tabs Oct 09 08:46:55 three sillydog701 threads Oct 09 08:46:56 I don't do a lot of that intensive simultaneous browsing. the most I ever have is four Oct 09 08:47:00 and the sd701 index forum Oct 09 08:50:00 too many tabs.... Oct 09 08:50:39 i might take a screenshot for the unusual screenshots thread Oct 09 08:50:44 safari with 20+ tabs open Oct 09 08:51:03 speaking of safari... i wonder if the safari de-metalifier works on Mac OS X Intel Oct 09 09:02:00 has anyone tried the firefox beta on windows? Oct 09 09:02:14 i didn't yet Oct 09 09:02:22 haven't used Firefox on windows for a while Oct 09 09:02:44 deerpark? Oct 09 09:02:55 no i think its 1.5 beta 1 Oct 09 09:02:56 it's not called Deer Park anymore Oct 09 09:02:58 1.5 Beta 2 Oct 09 09:02:59 actually Oct 09 09:03:04 ohh theres beta 2? Oct 09 09:03:09 then no. I've been using the MOOX builds lately Oct 09 09:03:21 http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9995 Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 released Oct 09 09:03:25 it identifies itself as Firefox 1.4.1 Oct 09 09:04:06 i've got to do some cleaning around here... a 6GB partition is almost nothing nowadays Oct 09 09:05:06 i am now going to test it. hopefully they fixed the java problems Oct 09 09:05:33 WOW Oct 09 09:05:42 <-- Ron_W has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]) Oct 09 09:05:42 Tiger's mail.app looks a lot better Oct 09 09:05:48 than Panther's Oct 09 09:06:16 unfortunately, it decided to download my WHOLE gmail box Oct 09 09:06:19 instead of just unread emails Oct 09 09:08:57 http://kernel.ws/~puto/142.png Oct 09 09:09:05 it's not very often that one has 142 unread emails Oct 09 09:10:12 <-- Don_HH2K has quit (Ping timeout) Oct 09 09:10:24 I guess his connection isn't very well either Oct 09 09:11:29 I hope antony gets here on time for the online chat Oct 09 09:11:33 oops Oct 09 09:11:34 ron left too Oct 09 09:11:35 ^_^ Oct 09 09:11:45 i hate talking to no-one Oct 09 09:13:10 --> captjldd (~chatzilla@3a15f1cd.3f38bee0.9b184f5.e8a4d95X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 09:13:46 --> Don_HH2K (~chatzilla@16b4fba6.1b4962bd.13e0fa6.1faf4a71X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 09:14:17 first time trying with seamonkey - Oct 09 09:14:18 --> Ron_W (~chatzilla@1f49225e.ba95af8.2850d5e8.24624475X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 09:15:16 seems to be working Oct 09 09:15:44 what does??? Oct 09 09:16:02 frist try with seamonkey Oct 09 09:16:18 what seems to be working? Oct 09 09:17:30 we are drawing a massive crowd here, 5 people Oct 09 09:17:48 well the online chat only starts in 40 minutes Oct 09 09:17:57 there's time for andrew, djgm and beanboy to get here Oct 09 09:17:59 oh, don confused me Oct 09 09:18:03 40 minutes.. then I have daylight savings time confused Oct 09 09:18:12 I thought it was an hour before not after Oct 09 09:18:27 gee 40 mins Oct 09 09:18:50 i have time to go outside and everything wow Oct 09 09:18:57 go ahead then Oct 09 09:19:24 --> DJGM (~chatzilla@2f31aeca.1a8c5c1c.16b4fba6.18251e65X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 09:19:28 tempting but everyone will arive if i left Oct 09 09:19:47 Hello! Oct 09 09:19:52 wow, it seems me and antony are the only ones not using chatzilla Oct 09 09:19:55 hi DJGM :) Oct 09 09:20:02 hi Oct 09 09:20:14 hello Oct 09 09:20:33 me and antony are both using xchat-aqua Oct 09 09:20:39 Hi Pu7o, Ron_W, Don_HH2K and everyone else! Oct 09 09:21:51 I'd have thought there'd be a few more people here than this! Oct 09 09:21:54 i'm getting bored, got nothing to do Oct 09 09:22:04 DJGM: the online chat starts in 38 minutes Oct 09 09:22:07 there's still time :P Oct 09 09:22:14 are you sure Oct 09 09:22:21 everyone else is saying different Oct 09 09:22:26 it supposedly starts at 0:01 GMT Oct 09 09:22:29 i'm on GMT + 1 Oct 09 09:22:35 and it's 0:24 here Oct 09 09:22:36 --> Andrew_T (~chatzilla@231e202b.3276d35c.3ae158ff.3f26dfb9X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 09:22:45 It's 00:22 by my watch! Oct 09 09:22:45 so it should start when it's 1:01 here Oct 09 09:22:55 yeah, UK and Portugal have the same time zone Oct 09 09:23:00 wow its 7:20 PM or 19:20 Oct 09 09:23:05 Hello everyone Oct 09 09:23:12 Hi AT! Oct 09 09:23:17 hello Oct 09 09:23:22 Ron_W: are you in Canada? Oct 09 09:23:24 hi andrew Oct 09 09:23:27 you have the same time zone as Canada Oct 09 09:23:30 hi Andrew_T Oct 09 09:23:59 you just have to love Casio Databank's ability to convert timezones. just press a button and I can switch between EST, GMT, and AEST, so I don't have to worry about that sort of thing Oct 09 09:24:05 people i have to go be back in about an hour Oct 09 09:24:14 k Oct 09 09:24:47 by the way Oct 09 09:24:53 Don_HH2K: did you have to recompile mozilla to get a flat chrome? Oct 09 09:24:58 or did you just change some setting? Oct 09 09:25:03 no, I changed some settings Oct 09 09:25:05 <-- Ron_W has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]) Oct 09 09:25:19 cool Oct 09 09:25:24 then i might try to port donzilla to mac Oct 09 09:25:35 do you find it any faster like I do? Oct 09 09:25:44 i haven't used it except on my laptop Oct 09 09:25:47 and i don't use mozilla Oct 09 09:25:49 Speaking of Mac . . . I'm not happy with mine at the moment. Oct 09 09:26:03 mine is currently unplugged and turned off in front of me Oct 09 09:26:21 mine is over at CompUSA waiting to be bought (or not bought) Oct 09 09:26:59 It's too slow compared to my PC Oct 09 09:27:24 i think even with rosetta, PPC apps can be slightly faster than in my real PPC (but only very slightly) Oct 09 09:27:43 faster? wow. Oct 09 09:27:52 then again, i'm not really sure Oct 09 09:28:02 they seem slow, but that's because the rest of the system is incredibly fast Oct 09 09:28:08 and it depends on the program Oct 09 09:28:12 iTunes runs flawlessly Oct 09 09:28:17 In the "DJGM saves a PowerMac G3 from being scrapped" thread, I've wrote . . . Oct 09 09:28:19 It's going from bad to worse to damned infuriating now! Oct 09 09:28:20 and almost seems like a x86 apps Oct 09 09:28:21 My Mac OS X user account appears to have rolled back most of it's settings back to a default state Oct 09 09:28:22 as though the OS had only been installed. Most apps now crash at start up as soon as I double click Oct 09 09:28:24 the application icon. I can't use any of my Gecko based browsers, as they crash instantly at startup. Oct 09 09:28:25 It looks like I'll now have to create a new user account on this computer. This one appears to Oct 09 09:28:27 have become so badly corrupted to the point. where it is now almost completely unusable! Oct 09 09:28:28 This has got to be the worst damned bloody computer that I have ever owned! Oct 09 09:28:30 The sooner I get my PC back up and running again with a new PSU, the better! Oct 09 09:28:34 lol Oct 09 09:28:38 hello, I am here Oct 09 09:28:45 Good luck, DJGM. Oct 09 09:28:51 DJGM: get your Mac OS X CD/DVD and reinstall that thing I guess Oct 09 09:28:53 Hi ANtony. Oct 09 09:28:55 it doesn't seem to be very usable Oct 09 09:29:09 Ugh, I ain't doin' that again! Oct 09 09:29:27 DJGM: A+Tab should pop up ant + tab should bring up antony's name Oct 09 09:29:35 oops Oct 09 09:29:35 Hello DJGM Oct 09 09:29:44 remove the "A+Tab should pop up" Oct 09 09:29:52 I think something has buggered up that user account, so I'm starting again with a new one. Oct 09 09:30:09 another thing you can do is use Linux Oct 09 09:30:23 if that's the Mac that can't run tiger, than i think it'd be the best thing to do Oct 09 09:30:29 since most apps are starting to drop support for panther Oct 09 09:30:35 Yeah, I'll be putting Linux on my iMac soon. Oct 09 09:30:53 my Mac is dual booting Ubuntu Linux 5.10 Breezy and Mac OS X v10.3.9 Panther Oct 09 09:31:06 Oh this Mac would run Tiger, if it had a DVD drive on it! Oct 09 09:31:07 and i don't boot panther a lot either Oct 09 09:31:17 I have the Tiger CD version ^_^ Oct 09 09:31:45 only the first two cds though, and I lost the first Oct 09 09:31:51 *second Oct 09 09:31:55 BY the time I get around to buying Tiger, the Media Exchange Program will have ended! Oct 09 09:32:27 well, you could buy tiger and then download the CD version Oct 09 09:32:31 if you bought tiger, it's legal Oct 09 09:32:38 although P2P tends to be very slow indeed Oct 09 09:32:45 My iMac won't ever be seeing another installation of Mac OS X . . . ! Oct 09 09:33:11 or you could do something else; Partition your iMac, and install a very minimal installation of panther on the first partition Oct 09 09:33:17 create a second one, empty Oct 09 09:33:28 hack your installation of Mac OS X so that it identifies itself as 10.4 Oct 09 09:33:34 The iMac doesn't even have a HDD at the moment! Oct 09 09:33:40 ouch Oct 09 09:33:46 then you can run a LiveCD linux distribution Oct 09 09:33:47 :P Oct 09 09:34:38 Out of curiosity has anyone ever tried the LiveCD distro of FreeBSD, FreeSBIE? Oct 09 09:35:08 I only tried FreeBSD installed on the HD Oct 09 09:35:21 it was very good, except if you tried using KDE Oct 09 09:35:30 then it sucked all the memory from the PC until it was unbearably slow Oct 09 09:35:40 I just want to see if FBSD actually recognizes my PC's hardware, unlike Linux which goes into kernel panic upon meeting my PCMCIA controller Oct 09 09:35:40 My plan is to eventually upgrade my B+W PowerMac G3 with a higher capacity HDD, and not have a secondary HDD installed. THen , once I CCC'd the contents of the existing HDDs, the 20GB drive that was previously in my iMac will go bacck in there, and will have either Ubuntu or SUSE installed on it! Oct 09 09:36:05 I recommend ubuntu Oct 09 09:36:19 Strangely enough, I've run a LiveCD version of Ubuntu onn this PowerMac . . . Oct 09 09:36:34 It ran a LOT faster than Mac OS X! Oct 09 09:36:43 ubuntu IS a lot faster than Mac OS X on a G3 Oct 09 09:36:48 I will be back in about 20 minutes, need breakfast and coffee Oct 09 09:36:59 a G3 doesn't have hardware-accelerated eyecandy ready for Mac OS X Oct 09 09:37:05 SInce I've been using SUSE on my PC for ages, I'll try both, and see which one is best. Oct 09 09:37:08 since ubuntu has no eyecandy, it's logically faster Oct 09 09:37:38 on a G4 that doesn't happen, because it's specially made so that OS X eyecandy doesn't slow it down Oct 09 09:38:03 I'll probably end up keeping SUSE on it, since it's a bit more feature packed than Ubuntu, and use KDE instead of GNOME. Oct 09 09:38:40 you can use Kubuntu Oct 09 09:38:44 Ubuntu with KDE Oct 09 09:39:04 I could, but it's still not quite as full featured as SUSE. Oct 09 09:39:37 Don_HH2K: how exactly did you enable the flat chrome? Oct 09 09:39:56 ANd SUSE offers both KDE and GNOME, so I've got the best of both! Oct 09 09:40:09 well Oct 09 09:40:14 you can do this with Ubuntu Oct 09 09:40:19 apt-get install kdebase Oct 09 09:40:24 and it installs KDE Oct 09 09:40:31 I know. Oct 09 09:40:47 in fact, fink was built on top of debian's apt Oct 09 09:40:52 decompress the jars first using PKZIP or a similar utility (easy to script), then delete chrome.rdf and /overlayinfo, then in installed-chrome.txt run a find/replace for "jar:" and ".jar!" and replace both with "" Oct 09 09:41:17 I dropped the chrome folder from donzilla 0.8PR2 Linux on the Mac version of Mozilla 1.7.12 Oct 09 09:41:21 shouldn't it have worked? Oct 09 09:41:26 yeah Oct 09 09:41:31 well, it didn't Oct 09 09:41:31 ^_^ Oct 09 09:41:35 what happened instead? Oct 09 09:41:38 BUt with SUSE, both desktop environments are already there, no need to download until their next update versions are released. Oct 09 09:41:40 no window shows up Oct 09 09:41:53 I bet it's the non-crossplatform calendar file Oct 09 09:41:59 i can remove it Oct 09 09:42:26 oh duh, i know the problem Oct 09 09:42:28 yeah, just delete chrome.rdf, overlayinfo, and the calendar directory, that should do it Oct 09 09:42:34 the donzilla linux .tar.bz2 has very weird permissions Oct 09 09:42:43 it does? Oct 09 09:42:45 brb Oct 09 09:42:48 yeah Oct 09 09:43:01 I bet it's the effect of TARring on an NTFS volume Oct 09 09:43:02 ah Oct 09 09:43:04 now it's working Oct 09 09:43:24 You're using: Donzilla 0.8 PR1 in Mac OS X. The latest stable and development versions are 0.7. Oct 09 09:43:31 yeah, I have yet to fix that. Oct 09 09:43:38 have you got a screenshot you can show me? Oct 09 09:43:45 you prefer classic or modern theme? Oct 09 09:44:10 modern. I had chrome.rdf patched to automatically use modern but since we deleted it that won't work anymore.. Oct 09 09:44:17 lol Oct 09 09:44:26 i didn't create a new profile anyway Oct 09 09:44:31 gonna delete my mozilla preferences dir Oct 09 09:44:31 brb Oct 09 09:45:12 you can still replace the classic and modern directories Oct 09 09:45:14 to get modern as default Oct 09 09:45:25 yeah but that just gets confusing Oct 09 09:45:44 you did that on 0.7PR1, and it worked, even though the theme names were changed Oct 09 09:45:50 and the fix for it used chrome.rdf :\ Oct 09 09:46:08 screenshot taken Oct 09 09:46:22 yeah, I just don't want to switch the names around. I want to find out how chrome.rdf is rebuilt so that the patch could be included in whatever script does it instead of having to manually edit it Oct 09 09:46:40 you can copy the chrome.rdf from your profile i guess Oct 09 09:46:59 I suppose I could just include a chrome.rdf in with the default profile Oct 09 09:47:04 never thought of that Oct 09 09:47:59 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/donzillamac.jpg Oct 09 09:48:25 cool. that's the x86 OSX right? Oct 09 09:48:35 yeah, but Mozilla is being emulated Oct 09 09:48:40 yeah Oct 09 09:48:41 so it's kinda slow Oct 09 09:48:58 oh well, x86OSX isn't final yet anyway. who has it besides you? Oct 09 09:49:03 and a handful of others? Oct 09 09:49:11 mostly everyone at osx86project.org Oct 09 09:49:30 yeah, but is that like thousands or ten thousands or what? Oct 09 09:49:36 hundreds i think Oct 09 09:49:48 not a really big audience, so as long as it can run I'm not too worried Oct 09 09:50:01 i still have to install calendar on it to be a true donzilla :P Oct 09 09:50:16 yeah. you can just stick it in there as a JAR I guess Oct 09 09:50:24 no, it needs components as well Oct 09 09:50:28 the jar is cross-platform Oct 09 09:50:32 oh, ok Oct 09 09:50:38 it's the .dll/.so/.dylib files that aren't Oct 09 09:50:42 there's only one problem: take a look at the top left of the screen Oct 09 09:50:53 it says Mozilla Oct 09 09:50:55 I know Oct 09 09:51:00 if i had xcode, i could fix that Oct 09 09:51:04 yeah. it's part of the .app files that I can't edit Oct 09 09:51:07 but it's too big to fit in this poor excuse for a partition Oct 09 09:51:58 I don't think it's compiled stuff, though. you should be able to do it by opening up the information files for the .app Oct 09 09:52:02 <-- DJGM has quit (Client exited) Oct 09 09:52:23 that can be edited in a text file too Oct 09 09:52:26 it's Info.plist Oct 09 09:52:30 not on Windows it can't... Oct 09 09:52:30 it has Oct 09 09:52:37 Mozilla Oct 09 09:52:42 oh, never mind Oct 09 09:52:43 it doesn't work Oct 09 09:52:47 how come? Oct 09 09:53:11 any error messages? Oct 09 09:53:52 no, it just keeps saying mozilla Oct 09 09:54:15 hmm... well, maybe it is compiled somewhere then, but I know I don't get that problem on Windows (although there isn't anywhere for it to happen) Oct 09 09:54:22 it's probably somewhere in one of the dylib files Oct 09 09:54:26 no Oct 09 09:54:29 i know where it is Oct 09 09:54:32 where? Oct 09 09:54:33 it can be changed with Xcode Oct 09 09:54:37 but it's a binary file Oct 09 09:54:45 you can change the menus of a Mac OS X application with Xcode Oct 09 09:54:48 and Interface Builder Oct 09 09:54:58 i did it once with safari Oct 09 09:55:00 there isn't an equivalent of Resource Hacker for Mac, is there? Oct 09 09:55:06 this is it ^_^ Oct 09 09:55:12 it's mac only though (apple makes it) Oct 09 09:55:25 and it's huge Oct 09 09:55:28 so i won't install it Oct 09 09:55:39 ok Oct 09 09:55:48 still, it's only a minor problem Oct 09 09:55:51 the titlebar says donzilla Oct 09 09:55:55 and the dock tooltip does too Oct 09 09:56:17 okay Oct 09 09:56:38 3 minutes for the online chat to start Oct 09 09:56:39 well, it's still a good start Oct 09 09:56:40 this is somewhat empty Oct 09 09:57:06 well, if I still have three minutes I am going to go get the caffiene to keep me awake all night Oct 09 09:57:33 do you know where to download Calendar? Oct 09 09:57:46 it's two minutes now Oct 09 09:58:22 never mind Oct 09 09:58:23 found it Oct 09 09:58:25 one minute Oct 09 09:58:33 I am back. Oct 09 09:58:48 --> beanboy89 (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 09:58:53 according to my clock it's 1:00 AM (0:00AM GMT) Oct 09 09:59:00 although my PC's clock says 0:58 Oct 09 09:59:02 *59 Oct 09 09:59:20 calendar installed and working Oct 09 09:59:22 23:57 GMT according to the BCH bell schedule Oct 09 09:59:29 ok... now for the 50 thousand dollars question Oct 09 09:59:37 who wants donzilla-mac? :P Oct 09 09:59:54 although I have no Mac, I would definitely publish that! Oct 09 10:00:00 with credit to you of course Oct 09 10:00:59 well, i'll make it in a .tar.bz2 file Oct 09 10:01:02 instead of a .dmg Oct 09 10:01:05 so you can change it Oct 09 10:01:10 okay Oct 09 10:01:23 if you want to give Mac OS X users a "dmg experience" Oct 09 10:01:25 put it in a .iso Oct 09 10:01:29 an ISO? Oct 09 10:01:29 since it works the same way on macs Oct 09 10:01:33 a .dmg is a disk image Oct 09 10:01:42 an .iso is mounted exactly the same way Oct 09 10:01:45 so it'd be the same Oct 09 10:01:46 hmm... Oct 09 10:01:55 interesting, although I thought DMGs were compressed. Oct 09 10:02:00 they can be Oct 09 10:02:05 but you can just gzip the .ISO Oct 09 10:02:10 since there are a lot of .DMG.gz files Oct 09 10:02:13 okay then Oct 09 10:02:30 so I just make an ISO and dump the files into it, rename the ISO to DMG, and then GZIP the DMG? Oct 09 10:03:00 i don't know if renaming the .iso to .dmg Oct 09 10:03:05 would work Oct 09 10:03:10 but you can still just publish it as .iso Oct 09 10:03:14 okay Oct 09 10:03:16 Mac OS X will treat it just like a .dmg Oct 09 10:03:25 alright then. I didn't know that, so I'll do that from now on Oct 09 10:03:29 that saves me a lot of time Oct 09 10:03:47 if you prefer Oct 09 10:03:50 i can create an installer Oct 09 10:03:52 for Mac OS X Oct 09 10:03:54 as well Oct 09 10:04:01 how do you do that? Oct 09 10:04:09 bitrock installer is cross-platform Oct 09 10:04:17 it works on a crapload of platforms Oct 09 10:04:23 I didn't know that either. what does the real Mozilla do? Oct 09 10:04:26 from win32 to mac os x passing through linux,freebsd,solaris Oct 09 10:04:30 dmg Oct 09 10:04:36 I mean for an installer Oct 09 10:04:45 mozilla has a .dmg Oct 09 10:04:48 it doesn't have a mac installer Oct 09 10:04:56 then I'll probably follow suit Oct 09 10:05:16 there are only a few apps i know that use an installer on Mac OS X Oct 09 10:05:22 let me see which ones i remember Oct 09 10:05:28 i think AIM Oct 09 10:05:30 and MSIE Oct 09 10:05:36 I might do some customization with the Windows and Linux Mozilla installers so that people can completely customize DZ on Lin/Win, and distribute the full thing to Mac like Mozilla does Oct 09 10:05:40 I assume you don't want to follow MSIE :P Oct 09 10:05:44 hell no Oct 09 10:05:52 Don_HH2K: trust me on this one Oct 09 10:05:56 you don't want a linux installer Oct 09 10:06:01 or noone will use it Oct 09 10:06:05 okay then Oct 09 10:06:12 most linux users loathe installers Oct 09 10:06:31 there are just too many Windows users that don't understand live archives, so I'm (for the most part) required to create an installer Oct 09 10:06:45 Linux users are pretty good with computers so they know what to do Oct 09 10:06:48 Windows users on the other hand, love installers Oct 09 10:07:01 Mac, well, I don't know what about Mac, but from what you say they all come as plain live archives. Oct 09 10:07:08 I'd take a ZIP over an installer any day. Oct 09 10:07:15 mostly because safari does all the work for them Oct 09 10:07:33 hello beanboy89, didn't see you come in Oct 09 10:07:41 you download a .dmg.gz / .iso.gz, and safari automatically extracts the .gz, mounts the dmg/iso and copies its contents to the dekstop Oct 09 10:07:43 *desktop Oct 09 10:07:50 Hello. Oct 09 10:08:12 this chat should've started awhile ago but it looks like we're still talking about DZ for Mac. Oct 09 10:08:21 oh yeah now i remember Oct 09 10:08:27 Office for mac also has an installer Oct 09 10:08:37 I take it all MS software has installers then? Oct 09 10:08:40 and MSN messenger used to, but the latest doesn't anymore Oct 09 10:09:00 yeah Oct 09 10:09:04 windows media player for Mac does too Oct 09 10:09:12 figures. go out of their way to make things more complicated Oct 09 10:09:36 not really. when MS made those packages, dmgs weren't being used as frequently as they are now Oct 09 10:09:52 1 minute to finish uploading donzilla-mac Oct 09 10:10:18 i could also make a mac os x-x11 for pure darwin users, but i'd have to find a distribution of mozilla for darwin Oct 09 10:10:26 the latest one i found was 1.7.5 ^_^ Oct 09 10:10:40 while that'd work, it'd require Mac users to have X11 installed Oct 09 10:10:52 X11 comes with Mac OS X Oct 09 10:10:56 so that isn't exactly a problem Oct 09 10:10:57 but it's uglier Oct 09 10:11:00 yeah, but isn't it an optional compoment? Oct 09 10:11:02 than Mozilla for Mac Oct 09 10:11:10 yes, but still... Oct 09 10:11:36 and it's not apple human interface guidelines compliant (most mac users dislike apps that don't comply to it. i personally don't care.) Oct 09 10:11:59 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/Donzilla-0.8PR1-OSX-PPC.tar.bz2 Oct 09 10:12:07 I remember Michael Hendy talking about BSD being able to run Linux bins. is that true? Oct 09 10:12:11 yes Oct 09 10:12:16 FreeBSD can run linux binaries Oct 09 10:12:20 and NetBSD/OpenBSD can too Oct 09 10:12:25 but they're slower Oct 09 10:12:36 but they still run? how much slower are they? Oct 09 10:12:38 and to run mozilla they'd need GTK2/Linux installed Oct 09 10:12:44 yeah, i used netscape for linux on freebsd Oct 09 10:12:54 and they don't blend in with the environment Oct 09 10:12:59 and maybe more important Oct 09 10:13:03 it crashes a lot Oct 09 10:13:23 okay then. but if I were to make a FreeBSD binary, then would it also run under Darwin and therefore MacOS X - X11? Oct 09 10:13:28 no Oct 09 10:13:34 assuming this is a PPC build Oct 09 10:13:35 Mac OS X uses the Mach-O binary type Oct 09 10:13:43 FreeBSD uses the ELF binary type Oct 09 10:13:48 just that makes them incompatible Oct 09 10:13:52 okay then. Oct 09 10:13:57 what about Darwin? Oct 09 10:13:59 plus darwin is a lot different from freebsd Oct 09 10:14:06 darwin is mac os x without the pretty GUI Oct 09 10:14:08 it's the same thing Oct 09 10:14:16 if you did a darwin build though, it'd run on mac os x, of course Oct 09 10:14:47 okay then Oct 09 10:15:29 but does Darwin use Mach-O or ELF? Oct 09 10:15:32 mach-o Oct 09 10:15:47 okay then. FBSD and Darwin are more different than I thought Oct 09 10:16:33 you could actually test a mac os x version of donzilla Oct 09 10:16:41 how? Oct 09 10:17:30 --> Puto (~puto@2d996ff7.322bbfaa.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:17:38 <-- Pu7o has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Puto))) Oct 09 10:17:45 --- Puto is now known as Pu7o Oct 09 10:17:46 unstable connection ^_^ Oct 09 10:20:06 i think antony could easily change mozilla's menu Oct 09 10:20:10 since he has xcode 2.1 Oct 09 10:20:15 perhaps Oct 09 10:20:20 --> beanboy89_ (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:20:40 <-- beanboy89 has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0a/0000000000]) Oct 09 10:21:45 --> Mandrake (~moo@1ccf6d0.642f304.3d344119.7795dbeX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:21:56 Good Morning. Oct 09 10:22:01 hi Mandrake :) Oct 09 10:22:05 Morning Mandrake. Oct 09 10:22:07 hello. it's nighttime here Oct 09 10:22:28 its 1:24 AM here Oct 09 10:22:39 I was having all sorts of troubles with my wifi connection, gave up and grabbed an old network cable :-) Oct 09 10:23:01 antony: you're pretty quiet for an sd701 chat Oct 09 10:28:42 I am reading Oct 09 10:28:58 Hello guys Oct 09 10:29:08 hello Oct 09 10:29:25 hi Oct 09 10:29:31 antony: have you tried donzilla mac? Oct 09 10:29:42 where is the Donzilla Mac? Oct 09 10:30:00 up a few lines Oct 09 10:30:02 if you read the chat, you can see it Oct 09 10:30:10 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/Donzilla-0.8PR1-OSX-PPC.tar.bz2 Oct 09 10:30:12 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/Donzilla-0.8PR1-OSX-PPC.tar.bz2 Oct 09 10:30:27 Don, I see you've got ChatZilla 0.9.68.5 in Donzilla 0.8 PR1, According to Mozilla Update, ChatZilla 0.9.68.5.1 is out. Oct 09 10:30:32 https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=16 Oct 09 10:30:43 i'm not going to dmg it otherwise don wouldn't be able to change it Oct 09 10:30:48 the donzillamac.jpg ? Oct 09 10:30:49 I'll put that in with PR2 Oct 09 10:31:08 antony: http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/Donzilla-0.8PR1-OSX-PPC.tar.bz2 Oct 09 10:31:26 wierd, according to the Chatzilla homepage the current version is still 0.9.68.5 Oct 09 10:31:29 thanks downloading Oct 09 10:32:56 At Mozilla Update, it says "Fix for Firefox 1.5+ only." But the link for the suite is 0.9.68.5.1. Wierd indeed. Oct 09 10:33:29 well if they update one Oct 09 10:33:29 they might as well update them all Oct 09 10:34:11 well, if there's no change I'll stick with this one Oct 09 10:34:25 <-- captjldd has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0a/0000000000]) Oct 09 10:35:02 --> user (~chatzilla@3a15f1cd.3f38bee0.9b184f5.e8a4d95X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:35:11 please do not use .bz2, it takes too much system resource to decompress it. Oct 09 10:35:34 okay. I'll probably use .iso.gz anyway, like Pu7o reccomended Oct 09 10:36:00 since Mac OS X recognizes .iso's similarly to .dmg's Oct 09 10:36:11 --- user is now known as captjldd Oct 09 10:36:59 why's the Donzilla Mac does not look greyish as pu7o's? Oct 09 10:37:09 <-- captjldd has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.1a/2005100806]) Oct 09 10:37:36 antony: tried changing to modern theme? Oct 09 10:37:50 where? Oct 09 10:38:09 view - apply theme - modern Oct 09 10:38:25 you haven't used mozilla/seamonkey/netscape for a long time, have you? Oct 09 10:39:13 --> beanboy89 (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:39:18 --> captjldd (~chatzilla@3a15f1cd.3f38bee0.9b184f5.e8a4d95X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:39:27 well, I've been using our beloved Safari :-) Oct 09 10:39:35 Hello captjldd Oct 09 10:39:37 Hmm.. 1 hour left to download SuSE Linux 10 :) Oct 09 10:39:41 hello beanboy89 Oct 09 10:39:44 Ok, my main system is abck up and running. :) Oct 09 10:39:50 Hi antony. Oct 09 10:40:26 It's a good thing my ISP has a full mirror of the SuSE ftp server, makes downloading the ISOs real easy. Oct 09 10:40:33 greetings to all - again - Oct 09 10:41:34 Hello, captjldd. Oct 09 10:42:53 beanboy... Oct 09 10:42:54 are you running seamonkey1a ? Oct 09 10:44:17 captjlld, yes. Oct 09 10:44:23 --> Ron_W (~chatzilla@1f49225e.ba95af8.2850d5e8.24624475X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 10:44:30 hi again Ron_W Oct 09 10:44:31 :) Oct 09 10:44:36 hello Oct 09 10:44:45 Hello Ron_W. Oct 09 10:44:51 BB\ Oct 09 10:44:53 installed or zip Oct 09 10:44:58 hello Oct 09 10:45:34 Zip version on WinXP, installed on Win98. Oct 09 10:46:09 BB Oct 09 10:46:11 any problems calling monkey from FF 1.0.7 ? Oct 09 10:46:18 antony fell asleep again it seems Oct 09 10:46:53 no. Antony is having 4-way video chat in iChat at same time. Oct 09 10:47:22 lol, and he chooses to do it right in the middle of the sd701 chat Oct 09 10:47:23 I don't have any Firefox on my Windows XP comouter, on Windows 98 I have Firefox 1.0.6 ZIP and 1.5b2 installed. Oct 09 10:47:26 how appropriate ^_^ Oct 09 10:48:08 Pu7o, no, other guys invites me... I am about to cut off. Oct 09 10:48:29 BB Oct 09 10:48:31 thanks, I have monkey 1a installed on XP home and if I call mail from FF it craps out with error msg Oct 09 10:48:40 * Mandrake needs more ram, one stick died... so I'm down to a rather pittiful 256mb ram ;-0 Oct 09 10:48:44 I will take a a screenshot. Oct 09 10:49:53 now, the iChat is finished. Oct 09 10:50:20 ok Oct 09 10:50:20 :) Oct 09 10:51:09 Has anyone received an invitation for joining SillyDog701 .Mac group? Oct 09 10:51:26 Anyone running xp-home monkey 1a ( installed) and FF 1.0.7 (installed) ? Oct 09 10:51:47 no Oct 09 10:51:57 no to antony and captjldd Oct 09 10:53:10 Mandrake: which SuSE Linux 10 are you downloading? Oct 09 10:53:38 The i386 (32bit) DVD image. Oct 09 10:56:07 how big is it? Oct 09 10:56:19 Almost 3.5GB. Oct 09 10:56:39 how fast is your internet speed? Oct 09 10:56:46 12mbits. Oct 09 10:56:53 ok, i'm jealous Oct 09 10:56:56 i only have 4mbits Oct 09 10:57:35 Well, the maximum is 12mbits, but it depends on your distance from the ADSL exchange ... I generally max out at 10mbits. Oct 09 10:59:56 According the the dslreports.com test, I get 1970 kbps download on cable. Oct 09 11:00:17 * Mandrake is downloading at 950KB/s Oct 09 11:00:31 320KB/s here Oct 09 11:01:06 I usually reach 400KB/s when i'm lucky Oct 09 11:01:20 mine is very slow. Oct 09 11:01:28 My connection's rated at 600KB/s but I never actually get thre Oct 09 11:03:30 How would I actually test my download speed, not through some bandwidth test? Oct 09 11:03:48 Go download something big. Oct 09 11:04:05 From your ISPs FTP server if they have one. Oct 09 11:04:35 I don't know if they have one. Oct 09 11:04:40 * beanboy89 checks. Oct 09 11:06:25 Mandrake, how much do you pay per month for ADSL2? Oct 09 11:07:25 $70 AU/month for 12/1 ADSL2 with a 40gb quota Oct 09 11:07:47 do you have to use their phone service? Oct 09 11:08:03 Yes. Oct 09 11:08:10 <-- Pu7o has quit (Connection reset by peer) Oct 09 11:08:24 Otherwise it costs $20 a month more, you only get half the quota and you're limited to 1.5mbit speeds. Oct 09 11:08:29 you are paying less than my ADSL (1.5Mbps only) Oct 09 11:08:34 I don't know if this was discussed before I joined the chat, but I notice there's a new logo for the message centre. Oct 09 11:09:06 beanboy89, the new logo was up about 10 hours ago. Oct 09 11:09:07 That's a bit rough for only 1.5mbit speeds. Oct 09 11:09:22 --> Pu7o (~puto@2fc699fc.1faf4a71.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 11:09:33 In Adelaide you can get an ADSL2+ connection, upto 24mbits. Oct 09 11:09:33 Mandrake: it's 1.5mbps and 30GB quota for $90 Oct 09 11:09:40 Ok. Oct 09 11:10:15 Adam Internet and (I think) Internode have 24mbit plans going from about $60/month. Oct 09 11:10:36 antony: is it a permanent logo change? Oct 09 11:10:50 I am with internode, but not the ADSL2. Oct 09 11:11:10 beanboy89: not sure, depends on if people like it. Oct 09 11:11:11 Ah, ok. Oct 09 11:11:23 The new logo looks good, I prefer it to the old one. Oct 09 11:11:51 thanks Oct 09 11:23:46 <-- captjldd (~chatzilla@3a15f1cd.3f38bee0.9b184f5.e8a4d95X) has left #sillydog701 Oct 09 11:23:56 hmm, it's quiet now. Oct 09 11:24:20 very Oct 09 11:28:29 These computer shops are nasty, charging an absolute fortune for a 128mb stick of Rambus memory :> Oct 09 11:29:05 all computer shops are insane, thats why you goto a website and buy it Oct 09 11:29:28 Mandrake: how much do they charge? Oct 09 11:30:03 $90 for a 128mb stick antony Oct 09 11:30:20 You can get a 512mb stick of DDR or DDR2 for less than that. Oct 09 11:31:20 i got a 512mb stick of DDR for that Oct 09 11:31:26 and that was 3 years ago Oct 09 11:31:49 Damn RDRAM, lol. Oct 09 11:31:52 Pu7o, don't forget the currency exchange rate. ;-) Oct 09 11:31:59 lol Oct 09 11:32:05 i paid in euro Oct 09 11:32:16 1 euro is aproximately 1 dollar Oct 09 11:32:19 Maybe I'll just accerate my plans to buy a new CPU, motherboard and memory. Oct 09 11:32:21 so it's not very hard to convert it Oct 09 11:33:19 Pu7o: use widget. the converter is built-in. Oct 09 11:33:30 Pu7o: what is bitrock installer? Oct 09 11:33:39 it's a cross-platform installer program Oct 09 11:33:50 it allows you to create installers for several operating systems Oct 09 11:33:55 all from one Oct 09 11:34:05 you can, for example, be running windows and create an installer for Mac or Linux Oct 09 11:34:47 Pu7o, didn;t you use bitrock for your Gecko 1.7.10 Donzilla version? Oct 09 11:34:48 i don't need to convert it, since the price is nearly the same Oct 09 11:34:50 and the source? Oct 09 11:34:50 yes Oct 09 11:35:00 the source to what? Oct 09 11:35:06 it's not a free product; it's commercial Oct 09 11:35:19 the application itself, to run on different platform. Oct 09 11:35:32 http://www.bitrock.com/ Oct 09 11:36:07 it has a 60-day trial Oct 09 11:37:13 beanboy89: yeah i did, except it was gecko 1.7.11 and not 1.7.10 if i'm not mistaken Oct 09 11:37:43 Pu7o: http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=60843#60843 Oct 09 11:38:01 yeah, it was 1.7.10 then Oct 09 11:38:05 i did make a 1.7.11 version though Oct 09 11:38:11 just never got around to publish it Oct 09 11:38:16 since the gecko engine didn't really change Oct 09 11:38:23 only mozilla's core, and that was still 1.7.8 Oct 09 11:40:01 There were some changes between Gecko 1.7.8 and 1.7.10. I remember tring to update my K-Meleon installation from 1.7.8 to 1.7.10, but it kept crashing. Oct 09 11:40:37 yes, i know Oct 09 11:40:42 but none between .10 and .11 Oct 09 11:40:55 .11 was a fix to a bug in mozilla mail Oct 09 11:42:03 1.7.12 was a securtiy fix. In 1.7.9 some API broke, so there was never a suite release, only Firefox 1.0.5. Oct 09 11:43:37 want to play the stunning Mac OS X desktop interface? http://osx.portraitofakite.com/ Oct 09 11:44:04 Antony, I saw that site last week. Very cool. Oct 09 11:46:27 that's interesting Oct 09 11:48:22 I always wonder why people want to make their Windows look like a Mac, but not the other way round. Oct 09 11:48:53 i once made my mac look like a windows system Oct 09 11:49:28 pu7o: you must be out of your mind, LOL. Oct 09 11:50:05 or maybe he just likes the windows GUI Oct 09 11:50:12 My sister (who is a Mac user) has a Mac OS X-Styled visual style on her Windows XP user profile. Oct 09 11:50:30 antony: i removed it shortly afterwards Oct 09 11:50:37 why? Oct 09 11:50:37 djgm did it too Oct 09 11:50:48 a windows gui on a mac doesn't look right Oct 09 11:50:49 I recall trying to make my PC look like a Mac, but at the time I only had 192MB of RAM, so it was pretty hard to do Oct 09 11:51:07 it's too "Mac" to fit right with the windows theme Oct 09 11:51:08 like Oct 09 11:51:16 a windows theme with buttons on the left looks wrong Oct 09 11:51:27 a windows theme with a menu bar on top looks wrong Oct 09 11:51:34 and on Oct 09 11:53:04 Hmm, Almost finished downloading SuSE 10 :) It'll be interesting to see how the Nvidia drivers for my new video card work - since apparently Nvidia's Linux drivers are far better than Ati's. Oct 09 11:53:40 Mandrake: that's quick Oct 09 11:53:54 Actually I've had more success running a RADEON IGP 320 under Linux than an NVIDIA TNT2 Oct 09 11:54:50 On SuSE 9.3 I only got about 50% of performance I got on Windows XP. Oct 09 11:55:01 With a Radeon 9200 Pro. Oct 09 11:55:52 Wow, on CD-Rs archived from my Win98 computer, I have ten versions of Donzilla installers. Oct 09 11:56:49 And an 11th on my hard drive! Oct 09 11:57:42 ten versions? wow! Oct 09 11:57:55 beanboy89_: 11 Donzilla's? wow! Oct 09 11:58:06 i didn't know there were that many donzillas Oct 09 11:58:09 I don't even have those old versions anymore! unfortunately they all got corrupted when I installed XP Pro (I put them on a scratched CD by accident) Oct 09 11:58:10 since it's only at 0.8 Oct 09 11:58:22 * Mandrake needs a bigger hard disk and more ram :-( Oct 09 11:59:31 Don_HH2K: you do not have backups yourself? Oct 09 11:59:59 I used to. I did a clean reinstall of XP Pro, and I put all the Donzillas on a scratched CD-RW. therefore I can't get them anymore because they're corrupted Oct 09 12:03:50 brb - need more coffee. Oct 09 12:05:47 coffee is good Oct 09 12:15:16 back Oct 09 12:15:36 <-- Mandrake has quit (Ping timeout) Oct 09 12:15:37 Mandrake, are you watching digital TV? Oct 09 12:15:39 wow we returned at the same time Oct 09 12:17:42 antony: do you know how to create a .icns file? Oct 09 12:18:05 Pu7o: for Mac? Oct 09 12:18:08 yes Oct 09 12:19:23 Use Icon Composer, part of Xcode Oct 09 12:19:40 preferentially, without having to resort to Xcode, which i don't have installed Oct 09 12:19:44 any way of doing ion Windows? Oct 09 12:19:47 i want to replace mozilla's icon with donzilla's logo Oct 09 12:20:02 but you need to need to draw at least one icon by a graphic application. Oct 09 12:20:21 better with multiple sizes. Oct 09 12:20:23 antony: converting a .ico would be possible? Oct 09 12:21:15 yes. if the .ico can be read, it would be easier to copy out. Oct 09 12:21:46 Don_HH2K: you could extract the donzilla icon with resource hacker, right? Oct 09 12:21:52 yeah Oct 09 12:22:07 hold on, let me e-mail it to you Oct 09 12:23:44 http://don.mozfaq.org/temp/donzilla.ico - antony: do you think you could convert this? Oct 09 12:24:52 That icon could come in handy for changing main-window.ico. Oct 09 12:25:25 yes, but do you have higher resolution one? Oct 09 12:25:42 no, the logo was only 32x32 anyway. I suppose I could rip the logo from my avatar Oct 09 12:26:00 Don_HH2k and Pu7o: please see http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html?http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/chapter_1_section_1.html Oct 09 12:26:06 (I don't actually have hi-res art of it) Oct 09 12:26:18 and http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html?http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/chapter_1_section_1.html Oct 09 12:26:24 http://sillydog.org/forum/images/avatars/57817070742841a35278e9.gif Oct 09 12:26:28 can you convert this then? Oct 09 12:26:45 yes. Oct 09 12:26:51 antony, it's the same webpage twice Oct 09 12:26:53 ^_^ Oct 09 12:27:44 Don's avatar is better, in terms of Apple Human Interface Guidelines... but both are not quite "Aqua" Oct 09 12:28:04 what do you mean by "aqua"? it's a program icon! Oct 09 12:28:14 does a program icon need to be aqua-styled? Oct 09 12:28:16 antony: don't tell me that the apple human interface guidelines actually specify how ICONS of all things should look like Oct 09 12:28:33 if they do, then they should really be changed Oct 09 12:28:37 Don_HH2K: you want to build an icon for Donzilla for Mac right? Oct 09 12:28:44 yeah Oct 09 12:28:57 well, I just want to use the same one from the Linux and Windows builds Oct 09 12:29:12 Pu7o: yes, the Apple HIG does specify how the icons should look like (perspectives) Oct 09 12:29:32 Don_HH2K: i think linux doesn't use icons Oct 09 12:29:49 I know it doesn't, I'm just saying... Oct 09 12:29:59 I want it the same on all of them Oct 09 12:30:02 continuity Oct 09 12:30:13 well, I'll be back in a few minutes Oct 09 12:30:22 Don_HH2K, have you thought about using that Donzilla icon as main-window.ico on Windows? Oct 09 12:30:35 beanboy89_: just delete the main-window.ico on windows Oct 09 12:30:43 and that icon will be used as a fallback Oct 09 12:30:46 I have. I just need to remember to do it Oct 09 12:31:00 anyway, will be back momentarily Oct 09 12:31:59 Pu7o, I did that. Speaking of icons, what is "chatzilla-window16.xpm"? Oct 09 12:32:08 you can delete all xpms, those are for linux Oct 09 12:33:13 antony: frankly speaking, i think apple are restricting too much in the apple HIG Oct 09 12:33:26 i mean... forcing an icon's look? Oct 09 12:33:41 well, i guess then that Seamonkey doesn't comply with the apple human interface guidelines ^_^ Oct 09 12:33:47 :) Oct 09 12:34:11 Hopefully, there will be new artwork for SeaMoneky 1.0b. Oct 09 12:34:34 Donzilla icon done Oct 09 12:34:51 cool! can you send it to me antony? Oct 09 12:35:53 http://sillydog.org/temp/donzilla_icon.icns Oct 09 12:36:39 thanks :) Oct 09 12:37:03 whether apple makes human interface guidelines, it is the software makers choice to comply with them Oct 09 12:37:16 cool, it works Oct 09 12:37:29 even though it looks kinda pixelated :P Oct 09 12:38:30 Can I see a screenshot of Donzilla and its icon on a Mac? Oct 09 12:38:36 sure Oct 09 12:40:22 although the application on the finder still bears the mozilla icon Oct 09 12:40:53 Look's good. So the icon is only for the dock? Oct 09 12:41:09 it seems so, although i think the finder's just caching the old icon Oct 09 12:42:47 because there's no .icns inside the folder Oct 09 12:42:51 that still bears the m logo Oct 09 12:43:58 now to wait until Don_HH2K gets back Oct 09 12:44:22 back Oct 09 12:44:35 Don_HH2K: the icon is working Oct 09 12:44:36 :) Oct 09 12:44:39 cool! Oct 09 12:46:02 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/dzmac2.jpg Oct 09 12:46:45 Pu7o: that icon is very un-aqua. Oct 09 12:47:03 I'll work on the icon Oct 09 12:47:21 I didn't know it would be so pushy about how icons look Oct 09 12:49:35 I'm guessing it looks pixelated because the size of dock icons can be changed so it's maginiging the image to fit icon size. Oct 09 12:50:19 Don_HH2K: make a 128x128 version would do the job Oct 09 12:50:26 okay then, I'll work on that Oct 09 12:50:35 a suggestion to make it more aqua Oct 09 12:50:39 you could take your avatar Oct 09 12:50:44 and make it with rounded corners Oct 09 12:50:50 it'd look better on Mac OS X Oct 09 12:51:01 rounded corners? Oct 09 12:51:23 I am thinking more like a beveled edge, but not a rounded corner Oct 09 12:51:29 yeah, like, Oct 09 12:51:37 instead of a square Oct 09 12:51:42 make it slightly round on the corners Oct 09 12:51:46 i think it'd look a lot better Oct 09 12:51:54 well, I'll see Oct 09 12:52:10 rounded corner is not necessary, but shadowing or some soft of translucent layer would be more aqua Oct 09 12:52:39 i didn't say it was necessary, but it'd look better Oct 09 12:53:08 okay. and we know single rounded corner looks the best :) Oct 09 12:53:24 single rounded corner only works when on the corner of something Oct 09 12:53:58 also, antony, would it be possible to make the icon smaller? Oct 09 12:54:07 like, adding something transparent around it? Oct 09 12:54:12 it looks too "stuck" Oct 09 12:54:22 for example, SillyDog701 Message Centre widget and MozInfo701 widget. Oct 09 12:54:36 that's on the corner Oct 09 12:54:41 it wouldn't look good in the middle of the page Oct 09 12:54:44 Pu7o: yes, but takes time. Oct 09 12:55:36 by the way, if anyone wants to know something about the apple hig Oct 09 12:55:38 just ask antony Oct 09 12:55:43 i think he memorized it Oct 09 12:55:44 LOL Oct 09 12:55:45 :P Oct 09 12:55:56 heh, I bet you have Oct 09 12:56:16 something has to be said about a guy who makes webpages apple HIG compliant Oct 09 12:56:33 honestly, i find it quite annoying, if a developer wishes to have there software compliant with apples HIG, they will make it that way Oct 09 12:57:22 Ron_W: the annoying part is most users getting annoyed at non-apple HIG compliant programs Oct 09 12:57:47 when netscape 8 broke Microsoft's HIG, windows users didn't complain Oct 09 12:57:56 (except the part about fusion being really ugly, but that's another rant) Oct 09 12:58:02 there's nothing wrong with making webpages comply with Apple Human Interface Guidelines. Oct 09 12:58:19 ...except that webpages aren't Mac-specific Oct 09 12:58:30 (true) Oct 09 12:58:40 maybe mac.sillydog.org should be HIG compliant Oct 09 12:58:49 but the rest, probably not Oct 09 12:59:09 specially when the website's main part is about Netscape, and the latest netscape isn't even available for mac! Oct 09 12:59:17 the only thing wrong with the Donzilla icon in Pu7o's screenshot is that Donzilla icon (in the dock) does not match well with the rest. Oct 09 12:59:48 yes Oct 09 12:59:53 i think it would look better if it was smaller Oct 09 12:59:59 and if it had rounded corners Oct 09 13:00:08 back in early days, most screenshots of webpages (if taken from a Mac), it was from Netscape browser. Oct 09 13:00:16 can we do anything with http://don.mozfaq.org/temp/Untitled-2.png Oct 09 13:00:17 Pu7o: fixing now. Oct 09 13:00:23 that seems like a good match Oct 09 13:00:30 i think it would be better if it was smaller, but i think we should keep it the way don had it Oct 09 13:00:35 oh, wait, forgot drop shadows Oct 09 13:00:44 I will add that. Oct 09 13:01:24 hold on, about to post one with shadowing Oct 09 13:01:32 there's an advantage on having Mac OS X on an x86 architecture Oct 09 13:01:41 if you're lucky, you might get to see netscape 8 running on Mac OS X Oct 09 13:01:51 try it again - http://don.mozfaq.org/temp/Untitled-2.png (you might need to click reload) Oct 09 13:03:13 brb, changing user account to root Oct 09 13:03:18 it seems i have to be root to install wine Oct 09 13:04:01 <-- Pu7o (~puto@2fc699fc.1faf4a71.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has left #sillydog701 (Leaving) Oct 09 13:04:34 where is Pu7o? Oct 09 13:04:47 he said he was switching user accounts to root Oct 09 13:05:00 I thought you could login under alternate credentials from within other user accounts Oct 09 13:05:11 --> Pu7o (~root@2fc699fc.1faf4a71.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 13:05:17 now to try and install Wine Oct 09 13:06:01 http://sillydog.org/temp/donzilla_iconv2.icns Oct 09 13:07:38 looks cool Oct 09 13:07:43 i wonder if it'll match Oct 09 13:07:59 show us a screenshot. Oct 09 13:08:21 ok Oct 09 13:08:45 Don_HH2K: did you use Photoshop Elements to create those icons? Oct 09 13:09:01 yes Oct 09 13:09:11 looks good to me ! Oct 09 13:09:41 Don_HH2K do you have the original file of the star one? Oct 09 13:09:55 I sent it to you Oct 09 13:10:04 http://don.mozfaq.org/temp/Untitled-2.png Oct 09 13:10:59 that's the exported version... I can't get the layer information. Oct 09 13:11:17 oh, you mean the PSd Oct 09 13:11:21 let me go save it Oct 09 13:11:23 yes Oct 09 13:11:33 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/donzilla.png Oct 09 13:11:37 now with the classic theme Oct 09 13:11:48 better. Oct 09 13:11:51 looks good to me..! Oct 09 13:12:05 now to try to do the impossible Oct 09 13:12:09 netscape 8 on Mac OS X!!! Oct 09 13:12:23 The icon looks good. Oct 09 13:12:50 definitely. what do you say we keep that one? Oct 09 13:12:53 Don_HH2K: I want to adjust the star size a bit. Oct 09 13:13:09 http://don.mozfaq.org/temp/Untitled-2.psd Oct 09 13:13:27 that one looks slightly better Oct 09 13:13:53 Oh just great Oct 09 13:13:57 :? Oct 09 13:13:58 :| Oct 09 13:14:05 ? Oct 09 13:14:15 your computer doesn't meet the netscape 8 minimum requirements Oct 09 13:14:30 LOL. Oct 09 13:14:36 how do you make NS 8 for Mac? Oct 09 13:14:38 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/ns8wontrun.png Oct 09 13:14:41 Don_HH2K: Can I try to make a .ico from the PSD? Oct 09 13:14:47 well, since i'm on x86, i can run windows binaries Oct 09 13:15:20 anyone here with netscape 8 installed? Oct 09 13:15:24 who would mind zipping it for me? Oct 09 13:15:28 *wouldn't Oct 09 13:15:29 beanboy89: the problem is we need a Mac .icns, not a Windows .ico. I could do that if I wanted to, just put it in paint and resize to 32x32 Oct 09 13:15:44 I have it installed in my Virtual PC Oct 09 13:15:46 pu7o: let me go get it Oct 09 13:16:10 i think it'd be interesting to post a screenshot of Netscape 8 running on Mac OS X Oct 09 13:16:11 Ok. I can't get Photoshop elements cant save files as ico anyay Oct 09 13:16:13 Don_HH2K: I still can't see the layer information in that PSD file. Oct 09 13:16:44 there's only one layer Oct 09 13:17:20 okay Oct 09 13:17:59 now i got a similar idea while i wait for Don_HH2K to get netscape 8 Oct 09 13:18:07 getting the win32 donzilla... on mac os x Oct 09 13:18:07 it's uploading now Oct 09 13:18:12 ...??? Oct 09 13:18:23 well, since i can run win32 binaries Oct 09 13:18:24 why not? :P Oct 09 13:18:47 I guess it's possible, but why bother if we're making an OS X build? Oct 09 13:18:57 yeah, i guess it'd be useless Oct 09 13:19:01 but just for the fun of it :P Oct 09 13:19:28 hey, i wonder if my builds of xchat for win32 work here Oct 09 13:19:56 Pu7o: what software do you use to build it? Oct 09 13:20:01 Are you going to try to run them on WINE? Oct 09 13:20:02 Mingw gcc Oct 09 13:20:04 yeah Oct 09 13:20:08 nope, it didn't run Oct 09 13:20:22 then again gtk and wine never got along^_^ Oct 09 13:20:45 and, well, it ran the ns8 installer. that's a start Oct 09 13:21:39 What about tring a zipped Netscape 8? Oct 09 13:21:46 --> root_ (~root@1f5b825b.1908d3ef.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 13:21:52 as usual Oct 09 13:21:53 network dropped Oct 09 13:21:56 <-- Pu7o has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by root_))) Oct 09 13:21:58 --- root_ is now known as Pu7o Oct 09 13:22:05 and i think donzilla could actually be faster on wine than on rosetta Oct 09 13:22:05 beanboy89: that's what I'm going right now if you want me to give the link to you too Oct 09 13:22:24 it probably would. emulating x86 on x86 is easier than emulating PPC on x86 Oct 09 13:23:08 I have a couple Netscape 8 zips on a CD-R. Oct 09 13:23:27 I could send one to you. Oct 09 13:23:33 i'm already getting it Oct 09 13:23:35 off don's server Oct 09 13:24:11 WOW Oct 09 13:24:16 mozilla win32 on os x Oct 09 13:24:17 it works? Oct 09 13:24:21 has got to be the ugliest thing i ever saw Oct 09 13:24:24 nah, i was trying mozilla win32 Oct 09 13:24:58 it crashed in less then 1/10 of a second Oct 09 13:24:59 ^_^ Oct 09 13:25:09 maybe removing nptrident would help Oct 09 13:25:31 From Netscape 8? Oct 09 13:25:35 yeah Oct 09 13:25:53 Proabaly would help, the default endine is MSIE. Oct 09 13:26:00 the splash screen appears Oct 09 13:26:02 it's a start :P Oct 09 13:26:10 and it hasn't crashed yet Oct 09 13:26:18 this is looking promising Oct 09 13:26:35 Did you get to the import data screen yet? Oct 09 13:26:41 no Oct 09 13:26:49 it's still showing the splash screen Oct 09 13:26:59 i already screened it, of course Oct 09 13:27:41 it doesn't seem to go on Oct 09 13:27:53 trying attempt 2 Oct 09 13:28:06 What Netscape 8 version are you tring? Oct 09 13:28:15 whatever version don sent me Oct 09 13:28:18 8.0.3.3? Oct 09 13:28:25 8.0.2 I think (have not upgraded yet) Oct 09 13:28:29 i can't run it, so i can't about: it Oct 09 13:28:30 I have the original prototype. Oct 09 13:28:37 cool Oct 09 13:28:41 can you send that one to me? Oct 09 13:28:42 :) Oct 09 13:28:46 everything's worth a try Oct 09 13:28:53 Let me find the CD. Oct 09 13:29:12 I think I have 0.5.6 lying around somewhere too, if it wasn't one of the many things that got corrupted Oct 09 13:29:32 I have it as a zip and rar. Oct 09 13:29:33 ok, who wants a screenshot of the netscape 8 splash screen on Mac OS X? Oct 09 13:29:39 can you send me the zip? Oct 09 13:29:40 :) Oct 09 13:31:50 http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/ns8.jpg Oct 09 13:32:00 * beanboy89 can't figure out how to send a file in ChatZilla. Oct 09 13:32:10 try /dcc send pu7o Oct 09 13:32:29 Pu7o, are you on AIM? Oct 09 13:32:36 yes Oct 09 13:33:55 the transfer doesn't seem to start Oct 09 13:34:19 beanboy89: using AIM is easier to transfer files. Oct 09 13:34:39 well, but it doesn't seem to be working Oct 09 13:37:38 Let me try from my other computer to send the file. Oct 09 13:37:53 it was already done on linux by hendkins Oct 09 13:37:54 http://wolfox.f2o.org/junk/netscape8-preview-cxoffice41.png Oct 09 13:40:11 <-- Don_HH2K has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Donzilla 0.8PR2/20050915]) Oct 09 13:44:49 doesn't seem to start here either Oct 09 13:44:57 beanboy89: can you even send a file in chatzilla Oct 09 13:45:08 Yes, with "/dcc-send nickname" Oct 09 13:45:12 ok Oct 09 13:46:12 Too bad I don't have a website to upload files to. Oct 09 13:46:35 how about yousendit.com? Oct 09 13:47:08 Can I email you the file? Oct 09 13:47:20 sure, pedro.mcs@gmail.com Oct 09 13:48:15 meanwhile, don seems to have vanished Oct 09 13:48:33 don had to go Oct 09 13:49:09 beanboy89: try gmail drive, http://hcforum.holycow.org/viewtopic.php?t=36 Oct 09 13:49:24 Ron_W: http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64556#64556 - nice one Oct 09 13:49:37 thanks Oct 09 13:49:41 thats true Oct 09 13:50:15 23% delivered. Oct 09 13:50:29 well the last time i tried that, i destroyed my laptop's HD Oct 09 13:50:32 ^_^ Oct 09 13:50:40 i kicked it off the bed Oct 09 13:51:07 i dont have a laptop, so no luck. laptops are fragile though Oct 09 13:52:08 but don's laptop's soundcard has been broken forever. don has tried fixing it forever and was very careful when he did it, to no avail though. Today his friend dropped his laptop and the soundcard started working. Sorry if don already told everyone... Oct 09 13:52:23 no, he didn't Oct 09 13:52:59 that's similar to a display i had around two years ago Oct 09 13:53:07 he was mad about it too, oddly enough. because he was very careful and his friend drops his laptop like a toy and the soundcard starts working.. Oct 09 13:53:11 in which sometimes, the image turned yellow Oct 09 13:53:25 thats annoying Oct 09 13:53:39 in those cases, i'd slap the display on the side, and usually, it'd turn right again Oct 09 13:54:10 my friend laptop screen sometimes changes colors and does a nice little screen saver looking thing, but you cant see anything. same fix as you, slap the screen or slap it closed and re-open it Oct 09 13:54:11 it got worse with time, and eventually i threw it away Oct 09 13:54:54 i am not sure, but could it be related to the video card over heating or the connector disconnecting between the screen and the video card? Oct 09 13:55:25 i know when they over heat in a computer they distort images. Oct 09 13:55:31 i think i once broke something while carrying it Oct 09 13:55:34 or something like that Oct 09 13:55:39 i remember i carried it around a lot Oct 09 13:55:53 because i wasn't sure which display i liked best, the 19' with a blurry pic, or the 17' with a good pic Oct 09 13:58:06 cool Oct 09 13:58:19 the office XP style menus in Donzilla 0.8PR1 also work on Mac OS X's contextual menus Oct 09 13:58:22 although not on the main menus Oct 09 13:59:14 --> DJGM (~chatzilla@2f31aeca.1a8c5c1c.16b4fba6.18251e65X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 13:59:15 <-- beanboy89 has quit (Ping timeout) Oct 09 13:59:24 interesting i am confused by your statement about 19" and 17" screens are you talking about a laptop or a PC Oct 09 13:59:25 Hello again! Oct 09 13:59:32 PC Oct 09 13:59:36 ok Oct 09 13:59:38 hi again, and goodbye Oct 09 13:59:38 Hello DJGM, where have you been? Oct 09 13:59:45 i should get going Oct 09 13:59:46 it's 5AM Oct 09 13:59:55 IN the dark mostly . . . had a powercut! Oct 09 13:59:58 5AM? time for your breakfast? Oct 09 14:00:05 no, time to sleep Oct 09 14:00:12 DJGM: do you have powercut often? Oct 09 14:00:15 that very annoying Oct 09 14:00:25 DJGM, an image that might interest you Oct 09 14:00:34 Not usually, but there's been three this week! Oct 09 14:00:36 DJGM: do you have a UPS? Oct 09 14:00:49 DJGM: you might be interested in this - http://kernel.ws/~puto.hosting/ns8.jpg Oct 09 14:00:55 I would have UPS if I could afford one! Oct 09 14:01:23 oh Oct 09 14:02:02 well DJGM you missed most of the fun Oct 09 14:02:08 UPS's are expensive, but mine is older, it lasts about 30 minutes Oct 09 14:02:33 Hmm, Netscape 8 on Mac OS X . . . there's a novelty! Oct 09 14:02:48 What have I missed? Oct 09 14:03:15 --> root_ (~root@fbb8a3c.2f2211d7.24988c47.2f2211d7X) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 14:03:16 ANd how did you get NS8 running on a Mac? Oct 09 14:03:21 DJGM: i didn't Oct 09 14:03:25 <-- Pu7o has quit (Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by root_))) Oct 09 14:03:27 --- root_ is now known as Pu7o Oct 09 14:03:30 who is root_ Oct 09 14:03:32 it's me Oct 09 14:03:36 ok Oct 09 14:03:37 i keep getting disconnected Oct 09 14:03:38 confused Oct 09 14:03:47 DJGM: this is my PC running Intel OS X Oct 09 14:03:49 can you change your default name??? Oct 09 14:03:50 so, I can run Wine Oct 09 14:03:59 i'm not running chatzilla Ron_W Oct 09 14:04:14 however, it only got to the splash screen Oct 09 14:04:19 i didn't get any further Oct 09 14:04:21 ...yet Oct 09 14:04:33 Naughty . . .. illegal copy of Mac OS X for Macintel . . . tut tut! Oct 09 14:04:36 lol! Oct 09 14:04:41 well, it's not that bad in my case Oct 09 14:04:44 because i do have a mac Oct 09 14:04:57 so it's not like "He's running Mac OS X without buying a mac" Oct 09 14:05:11 and since my PC is faster, i might as well take advantage of the fact Oct 09 14:05:15 Pu7o well DJGM you missed most of the fun Oct 09 14:05:15 Ron_W UPS's are expensive, but mine is older, it lasts about 30 minutes Oct 09 14:05:15 Pu7o me, don and antony getting donzilla on Mac OS X Oct 09 14:05:15 Pu7o then me trying hopelessly to get Netscape 8 on OS X Oct 09 14:05:15 Pu7o and Ron_W's recommendation for your iMac's troubles Oct 09 14:05:21 --> beanboy89 (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 14:05:22 i'm not sure which messages got through Oct 09 14:05:33 I'm not sure that makes any difference since I'm sure OS X for Intel most likely has different licensing terms. Oct 09 14:05:38 Hello beanboy89. Oct 09 14:05:42 it's still illegal Oct 09 14:05:46 but it's "less unethical" Oct 09 14:06:32 i'm actually surprised at how fast it runs! Oct 09 14:06:46 "less unethical"??? Oct 09 14:06:54 it's still unethical, but not as much Oct 09 14:07:06 Mind you, if I had a powerful enough PC, I'd give it a go myself, even if it's only to see the novel sight of Mac OS X running on non-Apple PC! Oct 09 14:07:08 what do you mean by not as much? Oct 09 14:07:27 one thing is running an illegal OS X without owning a Mac Oct 09 14:07:39 another thing is running an illegal OS X, while still owning a Mac Oct 09 14:08:00 LOL. Oct 09 14:08:27 Hi again. Oct 09 14:08:28 and i'm sure you agree with me on this one Oct 09 14:08:41 At least you're not attempting to re-distribute it . . . that'd definitely be highly unethical! Oct 09 14:08:44 that it's a lot worse to run an illegal OS X owning no Mac, than it is owning one Oct 09 14:08:48 no, i'm not distributing it Oct 09 14:08:59 in fact, i didn't even download it, a friend of mine gave it to me on dvd Oct 09 14:09:24 so i didn't even get to distribute it during torrent downloads Oct 09 14:09:45 Pu7o, I couldn't get the attachment to work... It seems as Netscape 8 and everything related to it hates me. LOL Oct 09 14:09:52 lol Oct 09 14:09:53 <-- beanboy89 has quit (Client exited) Oct 09 14:09:55 I was lucky to be able to get those early Longhorn builds wothout downloading them . . . I know someone with an MSDN membership! Oct 09 14:10:03 i have msdn membership Oct 09 14:10:05 ^_^ Oct 09 14:10:54 The next Windows Vista Beta is due out soon isn't it? Oct 09 14:10:59 i think so Oct 09 14:11:06 --> beanboy89 (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 14:11:14 now to try something incredibly stupid and useless Oct 09 14:11:18 http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/623/ns8pmessattach2lp.jpg Oct 09 14:11:21 running iTunes for Windows on Mac OS X Oct 09 14:11:34 My PC would a complete overhaul before VIsta could go anywhere near it! Oct 09 14:11:35 Illegal attachment. Oct 09 14:11:42 LOL! Oct 09 14:12:31 --> Hsalpihw (~moo@1ccf6d0.642f304.3d344119.7795dbeX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 14:12:36 --- Hsalpihw is now known as Mandrake Oct 09 14:12:47 'ello again, just had something come up a while ago. Oct 09 14:12:56 Really? Oct 09 14:13:01 What was that? Oct 09 14:13:02 Hi Mandrake. Hi DJGM, who slipped in while I was disconnected. Oct 09 14:13:25 Yeah, I was here earlier, but I just something to take care of. Oct 09 14:13:26 * DJGM is always slipping in unannounced! Oct 09 14:13:43 Going to the store to buy Pepsi Max :-) Oct 09 14:14:11 Damn! I ain't got any of that at the moment! Oct 09 14:14:36 I've supped it all . . . loL! Oct 09 14:15:09 wow, iPhoto was big Oct 09 14:15:10 I'm checking the running log on my old PC to see what I missed. Oct 09 14:15:35 wow Oct 09 14:15:36 I have a log from anoud 8:30 PM EST. Oct 09 14:15:43 the windows netscape 7.2 installer works Oct 09 14:15:47 even when in active mode Oct 09 14:16:07 SuSE Linux finished downloading while I was gone :) I'm burning it to a DVD now. Oct 09 14:16:08 Pu7o, did you see that illegal attachment thing? Oct 09 14:16:13 yes Oct 09 14:16:34 new SillyDog701 member rank available. Oct 09 14:16:54 antony: whats the rank? Oct 09 14:16:55 example: http://sillydog.org/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4758 Oct 09 14:17:13 :- Oct 09 14:17:15 :-) Oct 09 14:17:16 lol Oct 09 14:17:27 lol Oct 09 14:17:27 Cool. I'm a dimond member. Oct 09 14:17:27 brb - washing Oct 09 14:18:18 off to worship your dishwasher? :P Oct 09 14:18:24 lol Oct 09 14:18:27 BTW . . . cool new SD701 Message Centre logo . . . much better than the previous one! Oct 09 14:18:28 makes sense to me Oct 09 14:18:41 DJGM: agreed Oct 09 14:18:57 Dishwashers are one of the greatest inventions ever! lol Oct 09 14:18:59 i already asked antony if he could make me a version with no wording, for me to use on my website (with credits to him, of course) Oct 09 14:19:00 DJGM: definately adds color to the dullness Oct 09 14:19:36 Now all we need is to get rid of that boring dated brushed metal look! Oct 09 14:19:57 agreed Oct 09 14:19:58 As Wellander would say "Hi, Very nice. I love it. Tahnk you" Oct 09 14:20:06 it worked for a while, but it has gotten old Oct 09 14:20:13 It would be Tahnk Yuo :-P Oct 09 14:20:24 LOL. Oct 09 14:20:30 lol Oct 09 14:20:39 and it wouldn't be very nice Oct 09 14:20:47 it would be Very niec Oct 09 14:21:12 wow you have wellander speech down Oct 09 14:21:26 Hi. Oct 09 14:21:27 I liyke teh nwew mesage Centrte logg. Oct 09 14:21:30 It iss nyice. much betre than tthei olde onne. Oct 09 14:21:31 Tahnk Yuo Oct 09 14:21:33 BRYAN WELLANDER Oct 09 14:21:38 roflmao Oct 09 14:21:40 Actually he said "very lice" instead of "nice" at least once. Oct 09 14:21:46 LOL! Oct 09 14:21:53 no Oct 09 14:21:58 I am comcrened. Oct 09 14:21:59 DJGM, he always starts with Hi, Oct 09 14:22:00 not Hi. Oct 09 14:22:05 At least he knew how spell his bloody name right! Oct 09 14:22:22 Maybe the SD701 Message Center needs a new bright look: http://www.myboard.org/phpbb/index.php?mforum=wellanderboard Oct 09 14:22:23 i think it'd be like this Oct 09 14:22:25 ! Oct 09 14:22:46 that's completely, totally, and fully horrendous! Oct 09 14:22:57 Wellander's Netscape Prade rolls into the Message Centre. Oct 09 14:22:59 worse than Netscape 8 Prototype's UI! Oct 09 14:23:04 lol Oct 09 14:23:35 Ye gods . . . pass me my sunglasses! Oct 09 14:23:49 Sunrise in Manchester? Oct 09 14:23:57 IS that guy colourblind?!? Oct 09 14:24:13 Nope, still dark over Manchester. Oct 09 14:24:29 bbs Oct 09 14:24:29 I did not worship the dishwaser, the washing machine for clothes. Oct 09 14:24:37 --- Mandrake is now known as Mandrake[Lunch] Oct 09 14:25:00 --- DJGM is now known as DJGM-brb Oct 09 14:25:22 antony: good one. Oct 09 14:27:18 well, DJGM Oct 09 14:27:21 it was worse before Oct 09 14:27:29 it used to be bright yellow instead of green Oct 09 14:28:32 http://www.myboard.org/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=13&mforum=wellanderboard Oct 09 14:28:48 i can't believe he actually posted all that himself Oct 09 14:29:07 so many posts on that board Oct 09 14:29:30 so most of you want to get rid of the brush-matel layout? Oct 09 14:29:38 definately Oct 09 14:29:42 no doubt Oct 09 14:29:48 maybe you should make a poll regarding that Oct 09 14:29:53 I hate brushed metal, i think it was apple's worse idea since Copland Oct 09 14:30:10 maybe white with aqua or gelled look Oct 09 14:30:26 mail.app look i think would be best Oct 09 14:30:41 something like this, http://sillydog.org/narchive/sd701mac.html ? Oct 09 14:30:52 this is wellander's "template" Oct 09 14:30:55 for mozilla suite releases Oct 09 14:30:58 Hi, Oct 09 14:30:58 Mozilla 1.7.10 has been released from the Mozilla.org team . Oct 09 14:30:58 This could be the last Mozilla Application Suite version released dircetly from the http://www.mozilla.org team. Oct 09 14:31:02 no Oct 09 14:31:11 antony:no Oct 09 14:31:15 LOL. Oct 09 14:31:30 Ron_W: that was an old Aqua interface. Oct 09 14:31:57 antony: that looks too plain (sorta like my nearly abandoned forum....due to SQL corruption, not of my fault) Oct 09 14:32:10 well i really should get going Oct 09 14:32:30 Pu7o: sleep well :) Oct 09 14:32:40 Goodbye. Oct 09 14:32:42 pu70: cya Oct 09 14:32:47 http://sillydog.org/narchive/sd701mac.html i like this look Oct 09 14:32:53 but aqua-soft.org's look is a bit better i think Oct 09 14:33:06 Pu7o: I agree. Oct 09 14:33:26 I don't really like the Pinstripe-look. Oct 09 14:33:34 maybe make it like aqua-soft.org, but with a menubar on top with the links? Oct 09 14:33:38 similar to apple's bar? Oct 09 14:33:57 they use Tiger's interface. Oct 09 14:34:10 something like the look under the program names in Mac OSX. I cant really describe it.. Oct 09 14:34:22 seems more like panther's Oct 09 14:34:37 the Spotlight is Tiger's. Oct 09 14:34:46 where's spotlight? Oct 09 14:34:46 actually what circles the program names Oct 09 14:35:03 the front page. the blue search box. Oct 09 14:35:17 that search box looks very weird Oct 09 14:35:48 somewhat like the google toolbar for firefox Oct 09 14:35:50 and their forum is very "Tiger," rather than "Panther." Oct 09 14:36:16 ok Oct 09 14:36:18 well, this is it Oct 09 14:36:20 i'm now leaving Oct 09 14:36:28 bye Oct 09 14:36:29 bye Oct 09 14:36:35 if you don't mind, would you log the rest of the conversation so i can be up to date with the events? :) Oct 09 14:36:59 if i am here i will Oct 09 14:37:05 i arived around 8:30 Oct 09 14:37:12 ok :) Oct 09 14:37:18 i'm counting on you Oct 09 14:37:21 antony probably has everything Oct 09 14:37:23 * Pu7o signs off Oct 09 14:37:28 well the last chat, i logged it Oct 09 14:37:43 I have two compouters logging this chat. Oct 09 14:37:47 I will check my log. Oct 09 14:39:15 --- DJGM-brb is now known as DJGM Oct 09 14:39:30 * DJGM returns . . . Oct 09 14:39:49 Welcome back. Oct 09 14:39:53 welcome back Oct 09 14:39:58 Hello DJGM. Oct 09 14:40:12 Danke Schon! Oct 09 14:40:21 DJGM: do you want to get rid of the brush-matel? Oct 09 14:40:44 <-- Pu7o has quit (Ping timeout) Oct 09 14:40:54 Well, it is a bit dated . . . and Apple seem to be gradually phasing it out . . . Oct 09 14:41:03 BRB, I have to restart SeaMoneky I think. Oct 09 14:41:06 <-- beanboy89 has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0a/0000000000]) Oct 09 14:41:17 and do you like http://www.aqua-soft.org/board/ ? Oct 09 14:41:46 that would annoy many Windows and Linux users, I am sure. Oct 09 14:41:50 antony: THATS AWESOME LOOKING! Oct 09 14:41:59 antony: i use windows Oct 09 14:42:15 antony: windows only Oct 09 14:42:22 That looks nice . . . but we shouldn't make the forums look too "Appley" Oct 09 14:42:39 Ron_W: I know you use Windows. Oct 09 14:42:49 DJGM: that's the problem. Oct 09 14:42:57 It'd be ideal if SD701 catered only for Mac users. Oct 09 14:43:10 DJGM: that is true Oct 09 14:43:11 "beanboy89 has left irc.dixiesys.net (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0a/0000000000])" Hmm, my build id is 0000000000. Oct 09 14:43:23 --> beanboy89 (~chatzilla@20db5883.13e0fa6.38050f2d.28a85a1bX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 14:43:48 Antony: you know how you have you titles in under your hard drives with the names and that circle thing around it? Oct 09 14:44:13 You mean the coloured labels on desktop items? Oct 09 14:44:25 yes i believe so Oct 09 14:44:30 yes. Oct 09 14:44:49 antony: is there any way to incorporate this into the forum? Oct 09 14:45:18 the member rank is similar to that already. Oct 09 14:45:32 i did not think about that Oct 09 14:46:15 Could the forums be themed towards whichever OS your logging in with? Oct 09 14:46:39 Not sure. Oct 09 14:46:50 --- Mandrake[Lunch] is now known as Mandrake Oct 09 14:46:54 back :-) Oct 09 14:46:54 Mac style if you're using OS X, KDE or GNOME style for Linux/UNIX users, and XP style for Windows users. Oct 09 14:46:57 heres an idea, instead of those green and grey diamond things for new posts, use green circles (like apples close thing) and grey ones? Oct 09 14:47:26 Ron_W that's a good idea. Oct 09 14:47:37 DJGM: Wouldn't that be hard to do, to create all those images? Oct 09 14:47:56 Wouldn't be that hard. Oct 09 14:48:04 ok. just thinking Oct 09 14:48:11 Probably take 10 -> 20 minutes in The GIMP. Oct 09 14:48:12 I doubt it . . . I'm sure a decent graphics app like Photoshop would have the ability to create those.. Oct 09 14:48:24 ok. just thinking Oct 09 14:48:56 if you were to do that, then maybe a windows icon in the same place colored for new posts and grey for no new posts? Oct 09 14:49:00 In facct I think there are dedicated program only for making those shiny Mac OS X style buttons and lozenge icons. Oct 09 14:50:11 SO, with the Mac OS X windows button colours in mind . . . Green for new posts, Yellow, for no new posts, red for thread locked. Oct 09 14:51:11 Or something like that! Oct 09 14:51:38 hmm... too colourful in my opinion. Oct 09 14:51:49 DJGM: good idea Oct 09 14:52:46 Nah . . . Wellander's forum is too colourful! Oct 09 14:52:51 antony: Thats the point of removing the grey part, because color is good. look at Mac OS. it has colors, SD701 looks better with colors, look people are happy with just a new logo thats colored, imagine if the entire board is Oct 09 14:52:53 WAAYY too colourful! Oct 09 14:53:06 DJGM: yes, but its colorful in the wrong ways also Oct 09 14:53:56 That's what I mean . . . there's more clashing colours on Wellander's forum than a very bad fashion parade! Oct 09 14:54:14 DJGM: definately. thats hilarious Oct 09 14:54:36 A dark grey, almost "slate", could look pretty good on a forum. Oct 09 14:54:39 hmm... need to carefully choosing the colours to make them look nice. Oct 09 14:54:54 http://web.archive.org/web/20030206215330/sillydog.org/forum/ I ilke this look. Oct 09 14:54:56 i think blues and slate would look nice Oct 09 14:55:05 brb - washing again. Oct 09 14:55:07 Wellander's forum is one huge technicolour yawn in a browser window! Oct 09 14:55:28 beanboy: i dont really, looks too plain... Oct 09 14:55:30 A blue slightly darker than the MacOS X "aqua bluee" with a slate look would look nice. Oct 09 14:55:49 *blue Oct 09 14:56:50 I'd forgotten that SD701 used to look like that not so long ago! Oct 09 14:57:51 i think something like the background of Mac's would do nice if you could incorporate a color like that. as long if it was not incorporated like wellander board Oct 09 14:59:26 Wellanders forum makes a Gay Pride parade look almost colourless by comparison! Oct 09 14:59:35 lol, definately Oct 09 14:59:42 back. Oct 09 15:00:06 wb Oct 09 15:00:46 * antony fed the dishwasher some powder, sort of worshipping ;) Oct 09 15:01:06 hmmm Oct 09 15:01:25 did the dishwasher say yum or did it taste good Oct 09 15:01:27 lol Oct 09 15:01:48 * DJGM thinks someone should remind Wellander that if you have to choose a rainbow or the pot of gold on the end of it . . . you choose the gold, not the soddin' rainbow! Oct 09 15:01:51 as long as you dont start talking to it we wont get you commited Oct 09 15:02:00 beanboy89: the original SD701 forum was not that bad, but a bit dark. Oct 09 15:02:45 Hmm... this is a good reason to drink Pepsi Max in Australia :) The "HEAP$ RICH!" promotion :) Oct 09 15:03:06 Ron_W: well, just like most Gods (in any religion), you don't get a direct response when you worship or pray to them. Oct 09 15:03:09 i wish they would bring back pepsi smash in the US Oct 09 15:03:29 Mandrake: have you tried the new Diet Coke with Lime? Oct 09 15:03:32 That wasn't the original SD701 forum . . . this was . . . http://sillydog.org/forumArchived/list.php?f=1 Oct 09 15:03:55 Includes an Audi TT Roadster, $100,000, $116,000 Qantas Intl Flights, $20k Hotel account, $15k @ Sports Events, $10k wadrobe, $10k e*trade account, Raymond Weil watch and a Limo account. Oct 09 15:03:55 Pepsi Smash? Oct 09 15:03:56 l-0 Oct 09 15:03:58 The one Wellander wanted to bring back. Oct 09 15:04:00 ;-0 rather Oct 09 15:04:01 lol Oct 09 15:04:14 Not a bad prize if I say so myself. Oct 09 15:04:22 i think wellander brought it back with like too much color Oct 09 15:04:50 antony Yes. Oct 09 15:05:05 DJGM: pepsi smash was a concert where you got a free ticket to. its where destiny's child came back together (i think) and the premier of 213 (the band) Oct 09 15:05:08 * DJGM wonder what would happen if we allowed Wellander to come back . . . on second thought, pretend I didn't mention that! Oct 09 15:05:14 Mandrake, the new Lime is much better than diet Coke. Oct 09 15:05:16 They have a new tropical flavoured Pepsi Max now, it tastes very interesting. Oct 09 15:05:28 interesting Oct 09 15:05:31 i love pepsi Oct 09 15:05:56 We're almost out of Pepsi, and there are still two days left in the weekend. What am I to do? Oct 09 15:06:01 Tropical Pepsi Max . . . hmm, s'pose it's only a matter of time before that comes to the UK. Oct 09 15:06:18 beanboy89: pray to god that your mom get pepsi? Oct 09 15:06:19 beanboy89: get Coca-Cola Oct 09 15:06:29 I'm waiting for the Pepsi Max with Lemon & Lime here :-) Oct 09 15:06:38 whats pepsi max? Oct 09 15:06:39 We're a Pepsi family. :) Oct 09 15:06:44 extra caffeine? Oct 09 15:06:50 no sugar. Oct 09 15:06:51 Ron_W - Pepsi UK have been something similar to Pepsi Smah over here, called Pepsi Max Downloaded . . . Oct 09 15:06:55 "Max taste, no sugar" Oct 09 15:07:03 But it tastes like Pepsi, not Diet Pepsi. Oct 09 15:07:04 oh Oct 09 15:07:27 so, beanboy89, DJGM and Mandrake are all Pepsi fans? Oct 09 15:07:49 Yes! Oct 09 15:07:50 Basically, Pepsi Max tastes very similar to regular Pepsi, but the sugar is replaced with Acesulfame K and Aspartame. Oct 09 15:07:51 that new diet coke with splenda instead of aspartame (which kills brain cells) tastes good. ronnie is a pepsi fan! Oct 09 15:07:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsi_Max Oct 09 15:08:10 aspartame has a wierd taste Oct 09 15:08:26 thats why diet pepsi aren't liked as much Oct 09 15:08:32 Mandrake: http://sillydog.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=64297#64297 you can't call me a traitor :( Oct 09 15:08:49 guess Ramona likes Pepsi as well. Oct 09 15:08:59 :-D Oct 09 15:09:01 people with diabetes are happy with the splenda coke, because it tastes good and its sugar free Oct 09 15:09:29 Nah Splenda is sugar based . . . so anything with that isn't sugar free. Oct 09 15:09:46 hmmm Oct 09 15:09:51 let me go get my bag of splenda Oct 09 15:10:06 it uses an extract out of the sugar not the entire sugar Oct 09 15:10:22 Pepsi Blue was my favorite Pepsi offering until it was discontinued. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsi_Blue Oct 09 15:10:52 I tried that when it (briefly) came here, and didn't like it at all. Oct 09 15:11:10 "Splenda - made from sugar, so it tastes like sugar." Oct 09 15:12:01 Hmm.. all I have left are awful 2X DVD media. Oct 09 15:12:03 i know. but it can be used as a sugar. but if you take the extract from the sugar, that makes it sweet, it removes the bad part Oct 09 15:12:08 let me wikipedia this Oct 09 15:12:17 before i argue and make myself look stupid Oct 09 15:12:18 Oh well, I'll slowly burn SuSE 10 to a DVD. Oct 09 15:12:52 Mandrake: how fast is your DVD burner? Oct 09 15:12:57 12X/ Oct 09 15:13:04 DL? Oct 09 15:13:08 It only does Single layer DVDs those, not DL. Oct 09 15:13:21 - and + ? Oct 09 15:13:28 Yup, + and -. Oct 09 15:13:33 And RW. Oct 09 15:13:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SplendaBack.jpg Oct 09 15:13:44 less than 1 gram of sugar Oct 09 15:14:11 considering the packet is 1 gram, it could reduce the sugar content Oct 09 15:15:20 * beanboy89 doesn't know the speed of his DVD-RW drive. Oct 09 15:15:48 From the official Splenda website . . . Oct 09 15:15:49 i assume we have moved on from the pepsi stuff LOL Oct 09 15:15:50 How is sucralose handled by the body? Oct 09 15:15:51 Although sucralose is made from sugar, the body does not recognize it as Oct 09 15:15:53 sugar or a carbohydrate. It is not metabolized by the body, so it is calorie-free. Oct 09 15:16:23 A little program called Everest (http://www.lavalys.com/) can tell you all sorts of stuff about your PC. Oct 09 15:17:05 beanboy89: cant you right click on your CD rom drive and click properties and it will tell you Oct 09 15:17:09 * DJGM would be intersted to see Diet Crystal Cherry Pepsi Max Twist! Oct 09 15:17:45 beanboy89: or if you have norton system works installed theres an app in that that tells you system specs... Oct 09 15:18:04 * DJGM would be even more interested to see Diet Crystal Cherry Blue Pepsi Max Edge Twist! Oct 09 15:18:34 I can't find anything in the properties, nor the device manager. Oct 09 15:19:06 Norton System Works is the most awful application I've ever seen, lol. Oct 09 15:19:14 i know Oct 09 15:19:48 Mandrake: Is Everest free? Oct 09 15:19:56 * Ron_W thinks DJGM should stick with his day job and not work for pepsi Oct 09 15:20:49 LoL! Oct 09 15:21:49 Anyone know where I can legally buy the Hitman 1, 2 and Contracts soundtracks? Oct 09 15:22:03 amazon has nearly everything Oct 09 15:22:12 I've looked on iTunes but all they have is a partial Hitman 2 soundtrack. Oct 09 15:22:41 they have some band named red red groovy or something on amazon. anyone heard of that? Oct 09 15:25:16 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000005X8P/ref=m_art_li_1/102-1592907-8205758?v=glance&s=music Oct 09 15:27:17 Mandrake: do you have a TV capture card? Oct 09 15:27:24 No I don't. Oct 09 15:27:37 do you watch digital TV? Oct 09 15:27:42 No. Oct 09 15:27:57 The only thing I'm watching on TV atm is The Mole. Oct 09 15:28:14 whats digital tv? like cable or satellite? Oct 09 15:28:21 well, I only watch Desperate Housewives, but it's not showing atm. Oct 09 15:28:52 this is a cool device to watch free digital TV on your computer, http://digitalnow.com.au/products/dvbt.html Oct 09 15:29:27 http://digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/tinyusb2.html you only need USB2. Oct 09 15:30:12 interesting antony, but it looks like HDTV receiver boxes Oct 09 15:30:24 Ron_W: TV signal in digital format instead of analogue, not necessary be cable or satellite Oct 09 15:30:42 http://www.myfreehdtv.org/ Oct 09 15:30:59 yes we are thinking the same thing, just different setup Oct 09 15:31:08 Ron_W: Australia is phrasing out analogue TV transmission. Oct 09 15:31:37 that is happening in the US also Oct 09 15:31:57 though i doubt it will matter much because nearly everyone has cable or satellit Oct 09 15:31:59 e Oct 09 15:33:26 antony: http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.htmlo Oct 09 15:33:33 oops http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html Oct 09 15:34:12 also, http://news.com.com/Digital+TV+changeover+suggested+for+2009/2100-1028_3-5785519.html Oct 09 15:34:34 THe UK has also started to phase out analogue TV. Oct 09 15:35:02 All of the UK is to be digital only by 2012. Oct 09 15:35:47 The Granada region (NW England) is to bemade digital only in 2009. Oct 09 15:37:24 they said to have digital only in 2008, but probably won't do that, due to most people don't have a settop box. Oct 09 15:38:43 There's now over 17 million homes with digital TV in the UK. Oct 09 15:38:59 It'd be a lot less if it weren't for Freeview. Oct 09 15:39:10 antony: i know, my TV which was bought this past christmas does not have an internal digital signal receiver Oct 09 15:39:14 www.freeview.co.uk Oct 09 15:39:50 sadly freeview is not available in the us Oct 09 15:40:31 But you do have free HDTV over there! Oct 09 15:41:06 but theres only 3 channels available Oct 09 15:41:10 In the UK the first official HDTV service is to be provided by Rupert Murdoch's money vultures! Oct 09 15:41:36 A few local TV stations brodcast digital signals over here. Oct 09 15:41:59 * DJGM can't wait for November 1st . . . Oct 09 15:42:09 comcast offers HDTV for pay, $90 per box per month and only some of the channels, some of the time, are fully high definition! Oct 09 15:42:34 The new ITV channel ITV4 is to be launched on that date, and it means the return of Letterman to UK screens. Oct 09 15:43:26 GO DAVID LETTERMEN! Oct 09 15:43:33 i cant stand jay leno Oct 09 15:44:05 And hopefully, ITV4 will be showing the full HDTV version, so we can see it in full widescreen! Oct 09 15:44:28 DJGM: you are dreaming, we don't even get that. but maybe Oct 09 15:45:33 At least 90% of the output of the five main UK channels (BBC One, BBC Two, ITV1, CHannel and five) is broadcast in widescreen. Oct 09 15:45:43 Even the news is in widescreen! Oct 09 15:46:15 i think i should move Oct 09 15:46:47 If, when Letterman returns on ITV4 next month, the show is still shown in the old 4:3 format, I shall rather peeved! Oct 09 15:47:25 I'll keep hounding ITV with complaints until they put it on in 16:9 . . . ! Oct 09 15:47:59 thats like hounding comcast about there commercials about themselves while your on hold with them. YOUR ONE PERSON! Oct 09 15:48:02 I even record everything in widescreen on my camcorder! Oct 09 15:48:33 Believe me, I won't be the only person who feel the same way . . . Oct 09 15:48:50 then you may be in luck Oct 09 15:49:31 I'm installing SuSE Linux 10 now, bbl :) Oct 09 15:49:38 Recnetly, there was an online petition to bring Letterman back to ITV2, since the show was dropped at the end of April after a 5 year run on the channel. Oct 09 15:49:40 <-- Mandrake has quit (Connection reset by peer) Oct 09 15:49:53 why was it removed? Oct 09 15:50:07 After about 260 signatures, ITV finally relented, and decided to put it on the new ITV4 channel. Oct 09 15:50:29 The right contract between ITV and CBS had expired. Oct 09 15:51:23 ITV isn't the Britsh TV company to have had the rights to the Late Show. Oct 09 15:51:25 oh Oct 09 15:51:40 why? Oct 09 15:51:52 why "ITV isn't the Britsh TV company to have had the rights to the Late Show."? Oct 09 15:52:09 Sky had it first from 1993, then Paramount Comedy had it for a year from 1998-99, and it came to ITV2 in May 2000. Oct 09 15:52:17 oh Oct 09 15:52:20 very wierd Oct 09 15:52:27 cant they pick one Oct 09 15:53:04 Trouble is, it'll be onb in a decent timeslot for a year or so, then they'll play timeslot tennis with it! Oct 09 15:53:43 lol Oct 09 15:53:53 At one point, when Letterman was on ITV2, it was on at )3:30am! Oct 09 15:54:01 03:30am! Oct 09 15:54:08 thats insane! Oct 09 15:54:13 you need tivo Oct 09 15:54:15 I rang to complain! Oct 09 15:54:25 or a similar DVR Oct 09 15:54:42 I said it called the Late Show, not the Early Hours Of The Morning Show! Oct 09 15:54:49 lol Oct 09 15:55:21 At this rate it would've ended up as "Breakfast With Dave" . . . ! Oct 09 15:56:01 well somewhere i have a letter i sent to comcast about there annoying ads while on hold. i said i already pay for your services and you still hound me about getting more even when (at the time) i had every premium channel they offered and there cable internet Oct 09 15:56:15 and thats everything they offered in my area Oct 09 15:56:30 Tivo was available in the UK a few year ago . . . it was backed by Sky . . . Oct 09 15:56:37 oh Oct 09 15:57:02 Until Sky brought out they're own PVR product called Sky+ . . . Oct 09 15:57:30 At the moment, I refuse to get Sky+ on principle . . . Oct 09 15:58:54 I've no intention of paying an extra £10 a month to Murdoch' money vultures just for updates to the set top box software and EPG! Oct 09 15:59:37 well, everquest (an RPG game) is $35 for updates, and $15 per month. theres a new update about every 3 months Oct 09 16:00:06 Especially when updates are free for users of standard Sky digiboxes! Oct 09 16:00:21 considering its been around since 1999, just to start playing, with all the updates, you would have to pay several hundred dollars Oct 09 16:00:38 thats crazy free for some, not for all Oct 09 16:01:09 * beanboy89 disables Microsoft AntiSpyware's automatic 2:00 AM scan. Oct 09 16:01:24 1 minute until mine Oct 09 16:01:47 In fact if Sky+ users don't pay the extra fee, the PVR features in the box are disabled, and it just becomes a standard Sky box with a dormant HDD inside it! Oct 09 16:03:10 I wouldn't be surprised if they'd send an over the air signal to format the HDD for not paying the extra subs! Oct 09 16:03:20 * Ron_W disables Microsoft AntiSpyware's automatic 2:00 AM scan twice because mine pops up twice after I abort the first one Oct 09 16:03:40 thats sad Oct 09 16:03:54 * DJGM would not entrust his PC security to a product that is still in beta. Oct 09 16:04:26 well tivo is $10 (or $20) a month or $200 somthing for a lifetime of updates\ Oct 09 16:04:59 * beanboy89 has other anti spy programs besides Microsoft AntiSpyware. Oct 09 16:05:23 I think I could get an old TiVo UK box from eBay . . . whether it's original functions would still be active though I don't know! Oct 09 16:05:41 probably Oct 09 16:05:50 * Ron_W has spybot S&D also Oct 09 16:06:17 * DJGM doesn't need anti-spyware apps on this computer! Oct 09 16:07:44 * Ron_W think DJGM has millions of spyware on his computer if he has a PC Oct 09 16:08:06 * DJGM is on a Mac . . . immune from spyware! Oct 09 16:08:20 * antony thinks DJGM will be fine without anti-spyware. Oct 09 16:08:24 * beanboy89 thinks DJGM has other problems to worry about on his Mac than syyware. Oct 09 16:08:46 * antony believed DJGM does not leech that much. Oct 09 16:08:46 * Ron_W thinks DJGM will eventually get spyware if mac gets more popular Oct 09 16:08:54 Although my PC does have a good amount of security protection in Windows. Oct 09 16:09:42 Yes . . . sadly the Mac platform could well end up getting spyware if it does become more popular. Oct 09 16:10:38 I kicked Norton AV off my PC ages ago . . . damned bloated resource sucking POS that it is! Oct 09 16:11:07 * DJGM recommend AVG 7.0 from free.grisoft.com Oct 09 16:11:28 * Ron_W recommends NOD 32 Oct 09 16:12:29 Norton Interent Security was preinstalled on this HP computer. Oct 09 16:14:28 * DJGM recommends the following to keep a Windows PC nice and secure . . . Oct 09 16:14:30 thats a horrible program Oct 09 16:15:08 ...don't use IE. Oct 09 16:15:48 AVG to prtect against viruses, Oct 09 16:15:50 SPybot S+D and Ad-Aware to kill spyware Oct 09 16:15:51 FIrefox, Seamonkey and/or Opera to browse the web. Oct 09 16:16:06 ANd try to avoid using IE where possible. Oct 09 16:16:33 BTW . . . check this out . . . http://howdidido.co.uk/ Oct 09 16:16:41 I use IE just for microsoft updates...... Oct 09 16:17:36 Just turn on Automatic Updates so you don't even have to use IE for Wundows Update. Oct 09 16:18:03 DJGM: "This site can only be viewed on PC's with Internet Explorer v4 or Higher, with Javascript enabled." Oct 09 16:18:54 Yep . . . not only does it block you if you're not using IE, you're also blocked if you're not using it on Windows! Oct 09 16:19:10 Ouch. Oct 09 16:19:32 The developers of that site should be put up against a wall . . . and shot! Oct 09 16:19:50 Have you tried to spoof the UA to get in? Oct 09 16:20:08 It even knows if you're spoofing your UA to appear as IE! Oct 09 16:20:42 New search box under each sub-forum page: http://sillydog.org/temp/search_box.png Oct 09 16:20:42 Ha ha...it doesn't work with IE 3 either. Oct 09 16:20:50 If I set Firefox or SeaMonkey to masquerade as IE, I still get that blocker message. Oct 09 16:20:50 Please test it. Oct 09 16:21:08 Yeah, you have to IE4+ Oct 09 16:21:29 works for me FF latest version non beta Oct 09 16:21:35 it searches the particular sub-forum you are viewing. Oct 09 16:22:01 neet Oct 09 16:22:02 neat Oct 09 16:22:07 antony, I saw that search box eariler. Oct 09 16:22:14 * beanboy89 goes to test it. Oct 09 16:22:57 antony: i think you should put a search subforum button next to it for windows users. while enter works, its just sorta wierd Oct 09 16:23:00 DJGM, clear your cookies and cache, then try to get in with the spoofed UA. Oct 09 16:23:17 Tried that . . . still blocked. Oct 09 16:23:32 thanks guys. Oct 09 16:23:36 still working on it. Oct 09 16:23:37 They've got one vicious virtual bouncer on that site! Oct 09 16:24:03 i hate clearing all my cookies, its annoying because i lose alll my autologin stuff for webpages Oct 09 16:24:05 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311115 Oct 09 16:24:55 i hate bugzilla because i hate having to sign up for accounts Oct 09 16:25:15 http://toastytech.com/good/badsitelist.html Alot of sites that block Gecko-based browsers. Oct 09 16:25:28 DJGM: i assume you have one, can you report the error regarding JAVA loading in FF beta 2 windows? Oct 09 16:25:38 Also - http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=324461 Oct 09 16:25:55 it does not work on the site http://miniclip.com/runescape_game.html Oct 09 16:26:21 I've not got Ffx1.5b2 yet. Oct 09 16:27:39 That blocker site doesn't block IE for Mac though . . . it just crashes it! Oct 09 16:28:13 Have you tried IE 4 for Mac? (Not that you'd otherwise want to!) Oct 09 16:28:35 I can't run IE4/Mac on this system. Oct 09 16:28:55 http://www.the-cloak.com/login.html Oct 09 16:30:45 this thing is evil@ Oct 09 16:30:47 ! Oct 09 16:30:48 http://proxify.com/ Oct 09 16:30:54 it gets through everything! Oct 09 16:34:52 heres why sites like this happen Oct 09 16:34:53 http://microsoft.com.tripod.com/art/nazi.jpg Oct 09 16:35:21 or Oct 09 16:35:23 http://www.thrill2kill.net/web/obst/pics/NaziGates.gif Oct 09 16:36:33 * Ron_W thinks everyone quit talking Oct 09 16:37:10 * Ron_W thinks everyone fell asleep at there computer Oct 09 16:37:40 Yes. Oct 09 16:37:55 I'm awake. Oct 09 16:38:06 thats good Oct 09 16:39:17 DJGM: are you there still you have gotten quiet Oct 09 16:40:16 * DJGM is still here . . . but only just! Oct 09 16:40:51 why only just? Oct 09 16:41:11 It's 07:40, and I've been awake all night! Oct 09 16:42:11 Goodnight everyone. Oct 09 16:42:34 goodnight Oct 09 16:42:38 Time I went too . . . I'm knackered! Oct 09 16:42:41 Goodnight. Oct 09 16:42:43 ahh. i can understand why you are tired Oct 09 16:42:45 goodnight Oct 09 16:42:53 * DJGM yawns! Oct 09 16:42:57 thats going to leave 3 people here Oct 09 16:43:16 --- DJGM is now known as DJGM-bbl Oct 09 16:43:33 hmm. maybe we should talk about possible changes for SD701? Oct 09 16:43:35 I'll pop back later if anyone's still here . . . Oct 09 16:43:39 ok Oct 09 16:43:40 <-- Andrew_T has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.4.1/undefined]) Oct 09 16:44:41 Meanwhile . . . I'll leave you with this . . . http://djgm.co.uk/stuff/Not-Enough-Memory-for-crying-out-bloody-loud.jpg Oct 09 16:45:24 Make of that what you will . . . ! Oct 09 16:45:33 i have 256 but i have a pc Oct 09 16:45:40 * DJGM-bbl bids all and sundry goodnight! Oct 09 16:45:47 bye Oct 09 16:47:14 so beanboy, did you like my idea regarding the mac looking circles instead of the green diamond things? Oct 09 16:47:36 LOL, yes. Oct 09 16:48:03 the green things have nothing to do with SD701 or mac (i think) Oct 09 16:50:14 another idea that might be good would be the change of the post new topic buttons to the look of the user ranks images, but more like the mac names under the hard drives as in the black outline with a bubble over it or maybe blue like the logo Oct 09 16:50:30 I'm off to sleep. Goodnight. Oct 09 16:51:10 byte Oct 09 16:51:12 *bye Oct 09 16:51:20 <-- beanboy89 has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0a/0000000000]) Oct 09 16:53:41 I'm leaving this computer on and connceted overnight... Oct 09 16:53:53 Goodnight. Oct 09 16:54:04 goodnight Oct 09 16:54:08 --- beanboy89_ is now known as beanboy89_[sleep] Oct 09 16:54:27 Since Antony is still online, but not answering instant messages or IRC private chat messages and beanboy 89 and DJGM are now asleep, I would assume that the chat has ended. Oct 09 16:55:55 Thanks to any members who made this chat an enjoyable experience. While I can't speak for Antony, I believe this concludes the chat for October 9, 2005 Oct 09 17:08:25 --> Mandrake (~moo@1ccf6d0.642f304.3d344119.7795dbeX) has joined #sillydog701 Oct 09 17:08:41 Hello again :) Oct 09 17:11:33 mandrake Oct 09 17:11:35 hello Oct 09 17:11:41 i thought the chat ended! Oct 09 17:11:43 geee Oct 09 17:11:45 wow Oct 09 17:11:48 people came back Oct 09 17:11:59 everyone except me has gone to sleep Oct 09 17:12:12 maybe not antony, but hes definately not at his pc Oct 09 17:12:50 hey! Oct 09 17:12:52 mandrake Oct 09 17:12:54 talk Oct 09 17:12:58 Hi :) Oct 09 17:13:01 hello Oct 09 17:13:10 Did DJGM go to get some sleep as well? Oct 09 17:13:13 goto SD701 to see what you have missed Oct 09 17:13:15 yes he did Oct 09 17:13:19 ok. Oct 09 17:13:34 notice his name is DJGM-bbl (be back later) Oct 09 17:13:58 i believed the chat had ended. interesting Oct 09 17:14:05 so now two people are talking Oct 09 17:14:14 very big chat here Oct 09 17:14:28 i have been on here 7 hours! Oct 09 17:16:17 you just barely missed me. i was about to log out Oct 09 17:18:16 tell me when you come back to the chat window Oct 09 17:44:12 antony is back. though I dont know if he is going to talk on here Oct 09 17:55:36 i leave you all now with a farewell (LOL) Bye Oct 09 17:55:39 <-- Ron_W has quit (Leaving: Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]) Oct 09 18:32:27 Hello Mandrake, are you there still? Oct 09 18:34:00 Yeah. Oct 09 18:46:47 are you with iinet? Oct 09 18:47:14 Yup. Oct 09 18:47:35 lucky you. I am not happy with my internet... I am paying more than you :-( Oct 09 18:48:01 You can always sign up with iiNet :) Oct 09 18:48:16 Or switch over to Internode's 24mbit plans. Oct 09 18:48:21 I won't switch if they don't offer ADSL2 in my place. Oct 09 18:48:50 I live 2 blocks away from Internode's ADSL2 exchange area. Oct 09 18:48:58 That's annoying. Oct 09 18:50:16 Mandrake: did you get the SillyDog701 .Mac group invitation? Oct 09 18:50:56 Yes. Oct 09 18:51:26 I can't sign up though, i don't have a .Mac account, and you need a Mac to sign up for one. Oct 09 18:51:30 but I don't see your name in the list. Oct 09 18:51:39 all you need is a trial account. Oct 09 18:52:02 you can even use that trial account after it expires. including using it for AIM or even change passwords. Oct 09 18:52:26 Can you sign up for the trial account without a Mac? Oct 09 18:52:43 yes. Oct 09 18:52:56 I'll sign up now then. Oct 09 18:53:09 (the Mac requirement was in the past) Oct 09 18:57:12 Ok. Oct 09 18:57:18 I've signed up and joined your group :) Oct 09 18:57:24 cool! Oct 09 18:59:06 My .Mac email address is **********@mac.com :-) Oct 09 18:59:16 05? Oct 09 18:59:31 I couldn't have 'Mandrake' as my name :-( Oct 09 18:59:58 what is your AIM? Oct 09 19:01:46 how much desk space do you have in your Trial .Mac account? Oct 09 19:07:24 How can I find out? Oct 09 19:07:35 It won't let me download the iDisk Utility for Windows XP. Oct 09 19:07:46 The option for that download is greyed out? :> Oct 09 19:07:52 ?? did you log in? Oct 09 19:07:57 Yes. Oct 09 19:08:04 I went to www.mac.com and logged in. Oct 09 19:08:23 click your account name (near top), and you will see your quota. Oct 09 19:09:05 click the "down arrow" to download the iDisk Utility for Win XP Oct 09 19:09:21 25mb for email, 25mb for iDisk Oct 09 19:16:44 Ah, I figured it out :) Oct 09 19:16:54 You can access it within Windows without any utility from Apple. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 9 22:00:49 2005